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Re: ACTION A-Redmond05-01: timezone health warning

From: Jim Melton <jim.melton@acm.org>
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:16:59 -0600
Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050914061210.0457e738@rgmstimap.oraclecorp.com>
To: Mark Davis <mark.davis@icu-project.org>
Cc: Addison Phillips <addison.phillips@quest.com>, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, Paul Cotton <pcotton@microsoft.com>, w3c-xsl-query@w3.org, public-i18n-core@w3.org

Mark,

First, a slightly belated happy birthday!

Not to put too fine a point on it, but 19:32 on September 13 
(anywhere in the USA, but I don't know the time zone in which you 
were born) is either 10:32, 11:32, 12:32, or 13:32 on September 14 in 
Tokyo.  I doubt that, if you happened to be in Tokyo this week, that 
you would celebrate your birthday on September 14, even though that 
would allow you to do so at exactly n years from your astronomical 
birth time.  You're pretty likely, statistically speaking, to 
celebrate your birthday in Tokyo on 13 September, just as you would 
do if you were in San Jose, Denver, or New York.  No?

Hope this helps!
    Jim

At 9/13/2005 11:54 AM, Mark Davis wrote:

>Note: someone in IBM objected to the statement:
>
> > One application for this type of representation is for values 
> that are time zone independent, representing a logical event 
> divorced from a particular location on the Earth. For example, a 
> person's birth date is independent of time zone.
>
>He has a certain point. My birth date is not really disconnected, 
>since it is based on the time zone where I was born. For example, I 
>was born at 7:32 PT on Sept 13 (and for those who like puzzles, my 
>age today in hex is the transposition of my name in decimal).
>
>Should we use a different example or slightly different wording?
>
>Mark
>
>Addison Phillips wrote:
>>Dear Ashok,
>>Thanks for this update and the changes, which look fine. We took an 
>>action in our meeting today to reduce the Wiki to Note format and 
>>request publication as a Note ASAP. You should see the first 
>>transition request next week.
>>Addison
>>Addison P. Phillips
>>Globalization Architect, Quest Software
>>Chair, W3C Internationalization Core Working Group
>>Internationalization is not a feature.
>>It is an architecture.
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Ashok Malhotra [mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com]
>>>Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:44 AM
>>>To: Addison Phillips; Paul Cotton
>>>Cc: w3c-xsl-query@w3.org; public-i18n-core@w3.org
>>>Subject: RE: ACTION A-Redmond05-01: timezone health warning
>>>
>>>The XML Query and the XSL WGs decided that the text on the Wiki page
>>>was acceptable for publication as a note as long as a couple of changes
>>>were made.  I have made the changes.
>>>
>>>Can you publish the material as a note?  Please inform us when that is
>>>done
>>>and we will add the appropriate reference from the F&O.
>>>
>>>All the best, Ashok
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Addison Phillips [mailto:addison.phillips@quest.com]
>>>>Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:49 AM
>>>>To: Paul Cotton; ashok.malhotra@oracle.com
>>>>Cc: w3c-xsl-query@w3.org; public-i18n-core@w3.org
>>>>Subject: RE: ACTION A-Redmond05-01: timezone health warning
>>>>
>>>>Hi Paul,
>>>>
>>>>I had an action item to follow up this week with Ashok. I
>>>>believe we are done with our editing homework. The question
>>>>is what form the health warning should take in your document.
>>>>Our text is slightly long.
>>>>
>>>>We want to suggest that we publish our document as a Note and
>>>>that you include a reference to it in your document.
>>>>
>>>>The document itself is currently located in the Wiki:
>>>>
>>>>http://esw.w3.org/topic/i18nFAQTimeZone#preview
>>>>
>>>>Please let us know if you have particular concerns with the
>>>>content or if you prefer a different course of action for
>>>>including material from it in yours.
>>>>
>>>>Addison
>>>>
>>>>Addison P. Phillips
>>>>Globalization Architect, Quest Software
>>>>Chair, W3C Internationalization Core Working Group
>>>>
>>>>Internationalization is not a feature.
>>>>It is an architecture.
>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Paul Cotton [mailto:pcotton@microsoft.com]
>>>>>Sent: 2005?8?31? 20:55
>>>>>To: ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; Addison Phillips
>>>>>Cc: w3c-xsl-query@w3.org
>>>>>Subject: ACTION A-Redmond05-01: timezone health warning
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>ACTION A-Redmond05-01 Ashok will work with Addison to
>>>>
>>>>develop text
>>>>
>>>>>>for the timezone health warning.  ETA end of August.
>>>>>
>>>>>Is the text for the health warning ready?  If it is can one of you
>>>>>please reply to this message with the proposed text or a
>>>>
>>>>pointer to it?
>>>>
>>>>>/paulc
>>>>>
>>>>>Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
>>>>>17 Eleanor Drive, Nepean, Ontario K2E 6A3
>>>>>Tel: (613) 225-5445 Fax: (425) 936-7329 mailto:pcotton@microsoft.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
>

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