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Re: ACTION A-Redmond05-01: timezone health warning

From: Mark Davis <mark.davis@icu-project.org>
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:04:32 -0700
Message-ID: <43285820.7090504@icu-project.org>
To: Jim Melton <jim.melton@acm.org>
CC: Addison Phillips <addison.phillips@quest.com>, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, Paul Cotton <pcotton@microsoft.com>, w3c-xsl-query@w3.org, public-i18n-core@w3.org

That's not my point. The text says "a logical event divorced from a 
particular location on the Earth". The wording is too strong, since my 
birthday is *directly* dependent on the particular location where I was 
born; had I been born at exactly the same point in time in Tokyo, my 
birthday would have been the 14th. So the terminology "divorced from" is 
completely wrong.

I think that it can be reworded to make the point that you are trying 
to, but it has to be reworded.

Mark

Jim Melton wrote:
> Mark,
> 
> First, a slightly belated happy birthday!
> 
> Not to put too fine a point on it, but 19:32 on September 13 (anywhere 
> in the USA, but I don't know the time zone in which you were born) is 
> either 10:32, 11:32, 12:32, or 13:32 on September 14 in Tokyo.  I doubt 
> that, if you happened to be in Tokyo this week, that you would celebrate 
> your birthday on September 14, even though that would allow you to do so 
> at exactly n years from your astronomical birth time.  You're pretty 
> likely, statistically speaking, to celebrate your birthday in Tokyo on 
> 13 September, just as you would do if you were in San Jose, Denver, or 
> New York.  No?
> 
> Hope this helps!
>    Jim
> 
> At 9/13/2005 11:54 AM, Mark Davis wrote:
> 
>> Note: someone in IBM objected to the statement:
>>
>> > One application for this type of representation is for values that 
>> are time zone independent, representing a logical event divorced from 
>> a particular location on the Earth. For example, a person's birth date 
>> is independent of time zone.
>>
>> He has a certain point. My birth date is not really disconnected, 
>> since it is based on the time zone where I was born. For example, I 
>> was born at 7:32 PT on Sept 13 (and for those who like puzzles, my age 
>> today in hex is the transposition of my name in decimal).
>>
>> Should we use a different example or slightly different wording?
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> Addison Phillips wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Ashok,
>>> Thanks for this update and the changes, which look fine. We took an 
>>> action in our meeting today to reduce the Wiki to Note format and 
>>> request publication as a Note ASAP. You should see the first 
>>> transition request next week.
>>> Addison
>>> Addison P. Phillips
>>> Globalization Architect, Quest Software
>>> Chair, W3C Internationalization Core Working Group
>>> Internationalization is not a feature.
>>> It is an architecture.
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ashok Malhotra [mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:44 AM
>>>> To: Addison Phillips; Paul Cotton
>>>> Cc: w3c-xsl-query@w3.org; public-i18n-core@w3.org
>>>> Subject: RE: ACTION A-Redmond05-01: timezone health warning
>>>>
>>>> The XML Query and the XSL WGs decided that the text on the Wiki page
>>>> was acceptable for publication as a note as long as a couple of changes
>>>> were made.  I have made the changes.
>>>>
>>>> Can you publish the material as a note?  Please inform us when that is
>>>> done
>>>> and we will add the appropriate reference from the F&O.
>>>>
>>>> All the best, Ashok
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Addison Phillips [mailto:addison.phillips@quest.com]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:49 AM
>>>>> To: Paul Cotton; ashok.malhotra@oracle.com
>>>>> Cc: w3c-xsl-query@w3.org; public-i18n-core@w3.org
>>>>> Subject: RE: ACTION A-Redmond05-01: timezone health warning
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>
>>>>> I had an action item to follow up this week with Ashok. I
>>>>> believe we are done with our editing homework. The question
>>>>> is what form the health warning should take in your document.
>>>>> Our text is slightly long.
>>>>>
>>>>> We want to suggest that we publish our document as a Note and
>>>>> that you include a reference to it in your document.
>>>>>
>>>>> The document itself is currently located in the Wiki:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://esw.w3.org/topic/i18nFAQTimeZone#preview
>>>>>
>>>>> Please let us know if you have particular concerns with the
>>>>> content or if you prefer a different course of action for
>>>>> including material from it in yours.
>>>>>
>>>>> Addison
>>>>>
>>>>> Addison P. Phillips
>>>>> Globalization Architect, Quest Software
>>>>> Chair, W3C Internationalization Core Working Group
>>>>>
>>>>> Internationalization is not a feature.
>>>>> It is an architecture.
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Paul Cotton [mailto:pcotton@microsoft.com]
>>>>>> Sent: 2005?8?31? 20:55
>>>>>> To: ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; Addison Phillips
>>>>>> Cc: w3c-xsl-query@w3.org
>>>>>> Subject: ACTION A-Redmond05-01: timezone health warning
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ACTION A-Redmond05-01 Ashok will work with Addison to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> develop text
>>>>>
>>>>>>> for the timezone health warning.  ETA end of August.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is the text for the health warning ready?  If it is can one of you
>>>>>> please reply to this message with the proposed text or a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> pointer to it?
>>>>>
>>>>>> /paulc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
>>>>>> 17 Eleanor Drive, Nepean, Ontario K2E 6A3
>>>>>> Tel: (613) 225-5445 Fax: (425) 936-7329 mailto:pcotton@microsoft.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> 
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