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Re: [jlreq] Comment to WD-20111129

From: KOBAYASHI Tatsuo(FAMILY Given) <tlk@kobysh.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 06:35:02 +0900
Message-ID: <CAHKerJsKcipOyPVLvTbnViSmnMbwcg_iQVS7+tRAN9pg3JfZMg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Koji Ishii <kojiishi@gluesoft.co.jp>
Cc: IKEDA Soji <ikeda@conversion.co.jp>, "public-i18n-cjk@w3.org" <public-i18n-cjk@w3.org>
小林龍生です。

英語版の記述を日本語版に合わせましょう。日本語版にも【プロポーショナルな文字を用い,
全角のスペースに正常な向きにして配置する方法もある.】の部分を追加した方がいいですね。

以下のような感じでいかがでしょうか。

8).文中に配置する欧字又はアラビア数字が1字の場合は,この方
法で配置する.この場合,欧字及びアラビア数字は,一般に全角の
モノスペースの文字を用いる.【プロポーショナルな文字を用い,
全角のスペースに正常な向きにして配置する方法もある.】
One Latin letter or Arabic numeral is set with this style. In this case,
usually full width monospace font is used. Currently,
sometimes proportional Western style fonts are also used with this style.

2012/2/7 Koji Ishii <kojiishi@gluesoft.co.jp>

> While I understand what you said, I think both usages exist, so "almost
> incorrect" is too much.
>
> > In professional printings, upright characters often keep their
> proportional glyphs,
> > and are placed onto one em square spacing.
>
> I agree that some authors prefer such styles, especially when full-width
> glyphs in fonts weren't good quality. But recent fonts have improved the
> quality of full-width alpha-numeric glyphs and also they tend to have the
> same glyph, just with different widths. With such fonts, I think authors
> tend to prefer full-width glyphs for upright characters. See a capture from
> Mac Fan magazine[1].
>
> > Characters of their own may not have extended (fullwidth) glyphs.
>
> That's correct, but again, recent fonts have OpenType 'fwid' feature for
> code points that do not have full-width code points, so the problem you
> pointed out are gradually resolved.
>
> That says, while there are cases you pointed out is correct, there are
> cases the current text is correct too.
>
> In Japanese version, it says "in general" but it's missing in English
> text. Adding that could resolve your concern, or adding "both usages exist"
> might work better.
>
> [1] http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-writing-modes/#fig-mac
>
> Regards,
> Koji
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: IKEDA Soji [mailto:ikeda@conversion.co.jp]
> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 9:11 PM
> To: public-i18n-cjk@w3.org
> Subject: [jlreq] Comment to WD-20111129
>
> Section 3.2.3 "Mixed Text Composition in Vertical Writing Mode":
> a.
> | Full-width glyphs are specified for Latin letters and European
> | numerals in this style.
>
> This is almost incorret.  In professional printings, upright characters
> often keep their proportional glyphs, and are placed onto one em square
> spacing.  Characters of their own may not have extended (fullwidth) glyphs.
>
> Please compare Latin letters ("G", "D" and "P") in figures 3.41 and 3.42
> of current working draft.
>
> Also, please consult JIS X 4051:2004, note of 4.7 (b).
>
> Regards,
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