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Re: 4.13.1 Bread crumb navigation - use of right angle brackets

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 08:48:04 +0000
Message-ID: <CA+ri+Vm3p+Oknw+3EGqvuu=Uiqn1NGXtuyOTTjVRPE8ZF9fbEw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
Cc: HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
Hi Silvia,

>> I found no indication of accessibility users complaining about breadcrumbs.
> Do you have any indications of such problems?

right thats why I was asking :-)

Upon looking into the issue further what I did find was that providing
 a label providing context is accessible best practice [1]


Suggest the current advice/examples be augmented to include a text cue
such as "You are here" at the start of the trail.


<nav>
 <p> You are here:
<a href="/">Main</a> >
<a href="/products/">Products</a> >
<a href="/products/dishwashers/">Dishwashers</a> >
<a>Second hand</a>
</p>
</nav>


This may be visible (example [2]) or hidden offscreen but available to
screen reader user (example:[1]) it could also be added using an
aria-label attribute on the nav element.

<nav aria-label="You are here">
 <p>
<a href="/">Main</a> >
<a href="/products/">Products</a> >
<a href="/products/dishwashers/">Dishwashers</a> >
<a>Second hand</a>
</p>
</nav>

regards
SteveF


[1] http://webaim.org/articles/siteredesign/#decisions
[2]  http://juicystudio.com/services.php



On 26 January 2013 22:26, Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> wrote:
> The greater sign is a typical breadcrumb sign used on many sites as a
> hierarchy indicator, see also
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breadcrumb_%28navigation%29 . Having it
> announced as "greater" seems appropriate. I found other examples here:
> http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/breadcrumb-navigation-examined-best-practices-examples/
> . Most of the time something arrow-like is being used.
>
> I found no indication of accessibility users complaining about breadcrumbs.
> Do you have any indications of such problems? What alternative symbol would
> you suggest?
>
> Regards,
> Silvia.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Section 4.13.1 Bread crumb navigation (under Common idioms without
>> dedicated elements [1])
>>
>>  encourages the use of the right angle bracket to indicate a
>> breadcrumb navigation trail:
>>
>> <p>
>>   <a href="/">Main</a> >
>>   <a href="/products/">Products</a> >
>>   <a href="/products/dishwashers/">Dishwashers</a> >
>>   <a>Second hand</a>
>>  </p>
>>
>> The use of > in this context does not appear to be a good practice to
>> promote as the angle bracket is a symbol that depending on user agent
>> (AT in this case) is typically announced as "greater" or not announced
>> in this context. Either way it is not clearly convyed that its a
>> breadcrumb trail.
>>
>>
>>  It may be that this is not an issue for users who consume the angle
>> brackets in this context and the pattern of its use conveys that it is
>> a breadcrumb trail. If it is a problem I suggest that this example
>> would need to be revisited to see if we can come up with something
>> that is more useful to a wider range of users.
>>
>> [1]
>> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/common-idioms.html#common-idioms
>>
>> --
>> with regards
>>
>> Steve Faulkner
>>
>
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