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Re: use of placeholder as a label for an input

From: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:51:31 +1100
Message-ID: <CAHp8n2kPmppHH=U=3PWXpXnC_hdLb4GGQ663rZyRB2Eeh3yKhQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Cc: HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
Would it make sense to update
https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-api-map/raw-file/tip/Overview.html with the
recommendation to do the mapping as suggested in
http://www.html5accessibility.com/tests/placeholder-labelling.html ? Would
that address your concern?

Or is your concern more about the "labels in text boxes" approach and that
we need a recommendation to avoid that and instead recommend placeholder?

Silvia.


On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi all, thanks for your responses so far!
>
> some backstory, I was motivated to pose this question to the working group
> as I have observed people tweeting this post:
> Donít Put Labels Inside Text Boxes [1]
>
> I also wrote about the placeholder attribute back in 2011 [2] and
> conducted some testing (2012) [3]
>
> FWIW I am not married to the idea of having a MUST NOT conformance on
> placeholder, but wanted to ellicit thoughts from others on the subject. I
> do think that addtional informative text would be useful.
>
> [1]
> http://www.uxmatters.com/mt/archives/2013/02/dont-put-labels-inside-text-boxes-unless-youre-luke-w.php
> [2]
> http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2011/02/html5-accessibility-chops-the-placeholder-attribute/
> [3] http://www.html5accessibility.com/tests/placeholder-labelling.html
>
> regards
> SteveF
>
>
> On 18 February 2013 16:54, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> The HTML spec currently states [1]:
>>
>> The placeholder attribute should not be used as an alternative to a label
>> .
>>
>> should this be tighened up to MUST NOT?
>>
>>
>> I believe there are cases where having a label associated using the label
>> element may not be required, but can't think of any cases where the
>> placholder attribute text suffices as the only label for an input.
>>
>> thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/forms.html#the-placeholder-attribute
>> --
>> with regards
>>
>> Steve Faulkner
>>
>> <http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html>
>
>
>
>
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