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Re: device independent title attribute support in browsers

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:25:59 +0100
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To: david bolter <david.bolter@gmail.com>
Cc: HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>, Charles McCathieNevile <chaals@opera.com>, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, David Bolter <dbolter@mozilla.com>, Adrian Bateman <adrianba@microsoft.com>, Cynthia Shelly <cyns@microsoft.com>, Joseph Scheuhammer <clown@alum.mit.edu>
HI dave, apologies i did not repsond to your questions:

> How would the user move focus to the image? Would it be in the tab order?

title attribute display is a problem for any element that has a title
attribute not just images.

There has been a suggestion that any element with a title attribute
should be included in the tab order (if it isn't already), I don't
know what the ramifications of this would be.

Also its not just being able to trigger display there also issues in
regards to being able to format tooltip display properties for users
with a range of disabilities.

> Would you want us to pursue implementing this regardless of the alt/title
> conformance decisions?

I have been banging on about title attribute accessibility since the
middle of the decade:
Web Essentials 2005 - The Title attribute - what is it good for?
http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/articles/WE05/

regards
Stevef

On 20 April 2011 16:00, david bolter <david.bolter@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not optimistic about this all getting satisfactorily designed and
> implemented soon.
>
> I think we need to have a good UI design in hand. I'm adding Joseph to the
> cc list as he's thought a lot about keyboard interaction. I also think Earl
> Johnson's keyboard proposal (table 2 and 3) is probably helpful here:
> http://dev.aol.com/downloads/kbd-nav--popup-tool-bubble-022808.html
>
> How would the user move focus to the image? Would it be in the tab order?
>
> Would you want us to pursue implementing this regardless of the alt/title
> conformance decisions?
>
> Cheers,
> David
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> A recent decision by the HTML working group makes it conforming to
>> provide caption content for images whilst omitting the alt attribute.
>> This is problematic because while alt is designed to be presented to
>> users when the image cannot be viewed, and it is implemented as such.
>> The title attribute is for advisory information that should be
>> available to all users at any time. This is not the case and has never
>> been the case in any graphical browser.
>>
>> Can any of the representatives from browser vendors provide
>> information as to when the title attribute will be implemented so:
>>
>> * keyboard only users are aware that a title attribute is present on an
>> element?
>> * keyboard only users are able to access the title attribute content
>> on an element using the keyboard?
>> * The display of the title attribute content is configurable so that
>> users of screen magnifiers are able view title attribute content
>> within the viewport?
>> * access to title attribute content will be available on mobile and
>> touch browsers?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> with regards
>>
>> Steve Faulkner
>>
>
>



-- 
with regards

Steve Faulkner
Technical Director - TPG

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