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Re: device independent title attribute support in browsers

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:09:58 +0100
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To: david bolter <david.bolter@gmail.com>
Cc: HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>, Charles McCathieNevile <chaals@opera.com>, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, David Bolter <dbolter@mozilla.com>, Adrian Bateman <adrianba@microsoft.com>, Cynthia Shelly <cyns@microsoft.com>, Joseph Scheuhammer <clown@alum.mit.edu>
Thanks Dave,
so just to be clear; are you aware of any concrete plans to rectify
the accessibility issues with title attribute display in firefox in
the next release? Or the release after that? Or within a given time
frame?

regards
Stevef

On 20 April 2011 16:00, david bolter <david.bolter@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not optimistic about this all getting satisfactorily designed and
> implemented soon.
>
> I think we need to have a good UI design in hand. I'm adding Joseph to the
> cc list as he's thought a lot about keyboard interaction. I also think Earl
> Johnson's keyboard proposal (table 2 and 3) is probably helpful here:
> http://dev.aol.com/downloads/kbd-nav--popup-tool-bubble-022808.html
>
> How would the user move focus to the image? Would it be in the tab order?
>
> Would you want us to pursue implementing this regardless of the alt/title
> conformance decisions?
>
> Cheers,
> David
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> A recent decision by the HTML working group makes it conforming to
>> provide caption content for images whilst omitting the alt attribute.
>> This is problematic because while alt is designed to be presented to
>> users when the image cannot be viewed, and it is implemented as such.
>> The title attribute is for advisory information that should be
>> available to all users at any time. This is not the case and has never
>> been the case in any graphical browser.
>>
>> Can any of the representatives from browser vendors provide
>> information as to when the title attribute will be implemented so:
>>
>> * keyboard only users are aware that a title attribute is present on an
>> element?
>> * keyboard only users are able to access the title attribute content
>> on an element using the keyboard?
>> * The display of the title attribute content is configurable so that
>> users of screen magnifiers are able view title attribute content
>> within the viewport?
>> * access to title attribute content will be available on mobile and
>> touch browsers?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> with regards
>>
>> Steve Faulkner
>>
>
>



-- 
with regards

Steve Faulkner
Technical Director - TPG

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