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RE: device independent title attribute support in browsers

From: Adrian Bateman <adrianba@microsoft.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 22:42:10 +0000
To: David Bolter <dbolter@mozilla.com>, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
CC: HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>, Charles McCathieNevile <chaals@opera.com>, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, Cynthia Shelly <cyns@microsoft.com>, Joseph Scheuhammer <clown@alum.mit.edu>, david bolter <david.bolter@gmail.com>
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Same at Microsoft for IE.

On Wednesday, April 20, 2011 9:04 AM, David Bolter wrote:
> No concrete, scheduled, plan at this time.
> D
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Faulkner" <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
> To: "david bolter" <david.bolter@gmail.com>
> Cc: "HTMLWG WG" <public-html@w3.org>, "Charles McCathieNevile"
> <chaals@opera.com>, "Maciej Stachowiak" <mjs@apple.com>, "David Bolter"
> <dbolter@mozilla.com>, "Adrian Bateman" <adrianba@microsoft.com>, "Cynthia
> Shelly" <cyns@microsoft.com>, "Joseph Scheuhammer" <clown@alum.mit.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 11:09:58 AM
> Subject: Re: device independent title attribute support in browsers
> 
> Thanks Dave,
> so just to be clear; are you aware of any concrete plans to rectify
> the accessibility issues with title attribute display in firefox in
> the next release? Or the release after that? Or within a given time
> frame?
> 
> regards
> Stevef
> 
> On 20 April 2011 16:00, david bolter <david.bolter@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm not optimistic about this all getting satisfactorily designed and
> > implemented soon.
> >
> > I think we need to have a good UI design in hand. I'm adding Joseph to the
> > cc list as he's thought a lot about keyboard interaction. I also think Earl
> > Johnson's keyboard proposal (table 2 and 3) is probably helpful here:
> > http://dev.aol.com/downloads/kbd-nav--popup-tool-bubble-022808.html

> >
> > How would the user move focus to the image? Would it be in the tab order?
> >
> > Would you want us to pursue implementing this regardless of the alt/title
> > conformance decisions?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > David
> > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> A recent decision by the HTML working group makes it conforming to
> >> provide caption content for images whilst omitting the alt attribute.
> >> This is problematic because while alt is designed to be presented to
> >> users when the image cannot be viewed, and it is implemented as such.
> >> The title attribute is for advisory information that should be
> >> available to all users at any time. This is not the case and has never
> >> been the case in any graphical browser.
> >>
> >> Can any of the representatives from browser vendors provide
> >> information as to when the title attribute will be implemented so:
> >>
> >> * keyboard only users are aware that a title attribute is present on an
> >> element?
> >> * keyboard only users are able to access the title attribute content
> >> on an element using the keyboard?
> >> * The display of the title attribute content is configurable so that
> >> users of screen magnifiers are able view title attribute content
> >> within the viewport?
> >> * access to title attribute content will be available on mobile and
> >> touch browsers?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> with regards
> >>
> >> Steve Faulkner
> >>
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> --
> with regards
> 
> Steve Faulkner
> Technical Director - TPG
> 
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