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Re: please reivew mobileOK Basic Tests 1.0

From: Sean Owen <srowen@google.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:56:32 -0400
Message-ID: <e920a71c0706142256w14105407rf9eab93772f5bac@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Dan Connolly" <connolly@w3.org>
Cc: "Ben 'Cerbera' Millard" <cerbera@projectcerbera.com>, HTMLWG <public-html@w3.org>, "mobileOK WG" <public-bpwg-comments@w3.org>

I qualify my claim here a bit since it's hard to say with a lot of
certainty exactly what is being used across the globe. I can offer a
few generalized stats (forgive me, don't want to get in trouble for
publishing anything too specific on a whim here) from searches to
google.com/m which is a reasonable source of data.

Over 80% of requests are from phones whose screen size exceeds that
specified by the DDC.

Very roughly a third of searches are from WML-only phones. This is
another reason "most" is a loaded term. We aren't considering WML at
all, as its old stuff, not very expressive, and plainly we're getting
complaints for considering even the more advanced XHTML MP / Basic
specs. I do think it underscores the fact that many mobile devices in
use are not very advanced at all.

About 90% of searches from XHTML-capable devices that we don't
consider fancy enough to send to the non-mobile search are from
devices that meet or exceed the DDC profile.


I don't have good penetration stats on Japan readily available. I can
say that Japan accounts for very roughly half of the mobile
web-specific searches (and those are of course for cHTML content),
which says that proportionally it's very big there. Of course I
suppose it only big relative to arguably small adoption in the rest of
the world.


On 6/14/07, Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-06-14 at 08:47 -0400, Sean Owen wrote:
> > [...] It reflects roughly mid-level phones from the past
> > 5 years to entry-level phones of today -- what "most" mobile users in
> > the world might have available to access the web.
>
> Why the quotes around "most"?
>
> I'd appreciate pointers to any sources of credible statistics.
>
> > cHTML didn't take off? I think Japan begs to differ, and I think it's
> > an example of how very limited access can still be useful.
>
> Again, I don't doubt your claims, but I'd find your argument
> much stronger if it were backed by credible statistics. And
> I'd like to think that the W3C Mobile Web Best Practices
> WG includes some people who can speak to these deployment
> issues 1st-hand, or at least point to the current
> research.
>
> --
> Dan Connolly, W3C http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/
>
>
>
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