- From: Gregory J. Rosmaita <oedipus@hicom.net>
- Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:02:28 -0500
- To: public-html@w3.org
PRECIS: proposed, that the Q element use the "src" attribute to point to a target document, and redefine the "cite" attribute of Q to provide human-comprehensible bibliographic information; this would bring Q's attribute set in harmony with the use of the "src" element as a actionable target and the redefinition of the "cite" attribute to provide a human-readable citation, in harmony with the CITE element. ========================================= PROPOSED ATTRIBUTE SET FOR THE Q ELEMENT: ========================================= a) reuse the SRC attribute in the same manner as it is used elsewhere in the HTML/XHTML spec - as a pointer to a specific target; b) redefine the CITE attribute to bring it in line with the conventional semantic meaning of citation, which is to say, provenance, author, edition/iteration, etc. here are 2 quick examples (NB: the URIs are fake): EXAMPLE 1: <Q src="http://www.archives.gov/docs/constitution.html#a1" cite="The Constitution of the United States, Article 1" >Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.</Q> EXAMPLE 2: <P> Perhaps Mencken's most familiar -- and most often misquoted and misattributed -- aphorism is: <em class="air-quote">No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the average American.</em> What Mencken actually wrote, is far more subtle, and yet even more cutting as social criticism: <Q src="http://www.menken.org/works/complete3.html#27" cite="The Complete Works of H.L. Menken: Volume 3; Tinkle, Ivana, editor; (New York, Library of American Literature: 1998), page 27" >No one in this world, so far as I know -- and I have researched the records for years, and employed agents to help me -- has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.</Q> </P> Note that in the second example, i have used the EM element to demarcate the false quote, allowing me to use CSS to mark the misquote with quotation marks, as it is not actually the text being quoted, but a common and widespread corruption of the actual quote. this is how the print convention of encasing a word or idiomatic expression in quotes can -- and i believe SHOULD -- be handled, by using EM to mark the quoted word, and CSS to provide the emphasis -- (or, if you prefer, air-) quotes. Quotation marks are also employed to denote euphemism and slash or ironic intent, as in the headline: Kane Found in Love Nest with "Dancer" thus, the Q element makes a clear distinction that what's being dealt with is an actual quotation -- which makes the Q element both a logical AND a semantically meaningful element. as for the use of quotes for emphasis or to denote irony or sarcasm, since these are simply manifestations of emphasising a discrete string of text, they should properly be marked as EM, and styled so as to produce open and close quotation marks around the emphasized word or phrase. the Q element is more than merely a textual marker which replaces the character entity (" or ") or actual quotation marks -- it is an element which can provide REAL context for the quoted text thanks to its attributes -- attributes that vastly contribute to the comprehensibility of related documents, entire web sites, hypertext or XML presentations, and online curricula: the promise of hypertext has always been that it would revolutionize the way individuals -- especially individuals who cannot process printed material -- read documents. the Q element does this by allowing the author to provide extra information below the surface -- such as hyperlinks -- which the reader can choose to take advantage of, or ignore, at his or her choice. the SRC attribute of the Q element will allow an author to specify a URI for the source of the quote without cluttering up the page -- enhancing both the readability of the document containing the Q element and the ease of comprehension of the document by placing it in exact context by hyperlinking directly to the location in the original document from which the quote was taken... moreover, quotation marks aren't always used strictly for quotations -- for example, a word or phrase may be encased in quotation marks to emphasize a certain word or phrase, as in: Finally, everything was back to "normal". quotes are also employed to denote emphasis, euphemism, and slash or ironic intent, as illuminated in the headline example given above. thus, the Q element makes clear that what's being dealt with is an actual quotation - which makes the Q element both a logical AND a semantically meaningful element.... an author might want to style the quoted text as italic or bold, or in different colors, by a font change, etc, instead of using quotation marks. of course, this should and would be controlled by use of CSS, but styling alone -- especially if embedded in a SPAN element -- cannot convey to the user a vital item of important information: namely, that this segment of text encased in the Q element is an actual quotation; therefore, use of the Q element fits the needs and wants of both the author and the user: the author can style the contents of a Q in whatever way pleases him or fits in with the "look and feel" (there's another false quotation) of the resource, while the vital information that what is contained in the Q container it is an actual quotation is never lost. part of my insistence on using, parsing, and rendering Q is that i am a screen reader user who would like the Q element to trigger a change in the reading voice's characteristics, such as a change in pitch or a change of voice (from male to female, male to deep voiced male, or whatever the user prefers), just as it provides expansions when it encounters the ABBR and slash or ACRONYM element, and how some screen-readers know to switch language libraries on the fly in response to the "lang" attrribute. but all of this is dependent upon use of the Q element, rather than guessing whether content contained in " is semantically a quote, or an ironic or emphatic use of quotes (the written equivalent of quote air quotes quote or my own habit of using quote unquote inline) i also think that overlapping user sets would benefit greatly from the ability to have one's user agent or one's assistive technology, a list of quotes in a given document, as it would be of interest to some users to have the URI of the quotation displayed in the list of quotes' status line, so that they are aware to where activating the quote (as opposed to just moving to it) will lead them, and so that the end user can make an informed judgement on the veracity slash quality of resources cited in the document and thus assess the quality of the document, itself, as a reliable resource. gregory. ------------------------------------------------------------- SELF-EVIDENT, adj. Evident to one's self and to nobody else. Ambrose Beirce, _The Devil's Dictionary_ ------------------------------------------------------------- Gregory J. Rosmaita, oedipus@hicom.net http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/index.html -------------------------------------------------------------
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