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Re: FW: re-open request for issue 31

From: Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:06:15 -0600
Message-ID: <CAOavpveanC7C9Jo9b6+jmjpAxpxxkFweuUGpWn=b3V5CjiyhOA@mail.gmail.com>
To: "\"Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
Cc: "Judy Brewer <jbrewer@w3.org> (jbrewer@w3.org)" <jbrewer@w3.org>, "Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> (faulkner.steve@gmail.com)" <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>, "public-html-a11y@w3.org" <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Hi Janina,

I don't think we had a determination relating to the and all
encompassing incorrect guidance issue. Incorrect guidance was handled
by individual bug reports.

I assume that the issue could be reopened on that basis  if a systemic
pattern of problems was identified. As the decision stated the issue
could be reopened with:

"Identification of a systemic pattern of problems based on specific
bug reports and their ultimate resolution and identify a solution that
specifically addresses the underlying causes." [1]

Maybe comb the bug reports for WONTFIX text issues and check for a pattern?

Best Regards,
Laura
[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0453.html

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com> wrote:
>> In looking around the various archives I found where a WG decision determined to retain Steve's Alt doc, but I did not find any determination relating to the incorrect guidance in the actual HTML spec. What am I missing? Any pointer much appreciated.
>
> Adding Sam and Maciej to this thread.
>
> /paulc
>
> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
> 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
> Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> (janina@rednote.net) [mailto:janina@rednote.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 1:52 PM
> To: Paul Cotton
> Cc: Judy Brewer <jbrewer@w3.org> (jbrewer@w3.org); Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> (faulkner.steve@gmail.com); public-html-a11y@w3.org
> Subject: Re: FW: re-open request for issue 31
>
> Hello, Paul:
>
> We do have this on the TF agenda for tomorrow. Thanks for the heads up and the opportunity to perfect the CP.
>
> In looking around the various archives I found where a WG decision determined to retain Steve's Alt doc, but I did not find any determination relating to the incorrect guidance in the actual HTML spec. What am I missing? Any pointer much appreciated.
>
> Janina
>
> Paul Cotton writes:
>> The Chairs have reviewed this re-open request and believe the request is incomplete since it does not currently explicitly identify the new information that the Chairs should use as the basis of a re-open decision.
>>
>> Could the A11Y TF please determine how to improve this re-open request since the WG Chairs currently feel is does not justify re-opening ISSUE-31?
>>
>> /paulc
>>
>> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
>> 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
>> Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329
>>
>> From: Steve Faulkner [mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 2:08 PM
>> To: Paul Cotton
>> Cc: Maciej Stachowiak; Sam Ruby; HTMLWG WG; Judy Brewer; Janina Sajka;
>> Michael Cooper; Michael(tm) Smith
>> Subject: Re: re-open request for issue 31
>>
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> First let me make this clear.
>> This is not 'my' proposal it is a proposal that I have recently been tasked to produce for the HTML WG accessibility taskforce.
>> Due to circumstances there has not been time for the proposal to be vetted and agreed upon by the taskforce prior to it's submission.
>> If the taskforce decides that they cannot support the contents of the proposal I have submitted on their behalf, and there is no possibility, due to HTML WG process, for modification, to reach a consensus proposal, I will withdraw the proposal I have submitted.
>>
>> I have attempted to make clear the 2 reasons for re-opening. I have also outlined a set of changes.
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/movealt
>>
>> regards
>> Stevef
>> On 11 February 2012 14:41, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com<mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>> wrote:
>> The WG Decision Policy gives the following description of a re-open request:
>> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/html5/decision-policy/decision-pol
>> icy-v2.html?rev=1.38;content-type=text%2Fhtml#reopening<http://dev.w3.
>> org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy-v2.htm
>> l?rev=1.38;content-type=text%2Fhtml#reopening>
>>
>> 1. Submit a Reopen Request
>> A request to reopen an issue should be submitted to the public-html@w3.org<mailto:public-html@w3.org> mailing list. A request to reopen should identify the issue to be reopened, and should include the following:
>> *         Material new information relevant to the decision, for example of the type identified by the decision itself as relevant.
>> *         A revised Change Proposal incorporating the new information as rationale.
>> For reopening to be seriously considered, this new information and
>> proposal must be likely to have been enough to materially change the decision, lacking refutation or additional new information, When I read your re-open request at http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/movealt I cannot find a "revised change proposal incorporating the new information as rationale".  Do you have such a change proposal?
>>
>> Your re-open request appears to be more of a history of how ISSUE-31 was processed and the current state of the HTML5 specifications than a request that provides "material new information relevant to the decision".  Can you please more clearly identify the "material new information" you are providing as your rationale for re-opening ISSUE-31?
>>
>> /paulc
>>
>> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
>> 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
>> Tel: (425) 705-9596<tel:%28425%29%20705-9596> Fax: (425)
>> 936-7329<tel:%28425%29%20936-7329>
>>
>> From: Steve Faulkner
>> [mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com<mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com>]
>> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 6:00 AM
>> To: Maciej Stachowiak; Sam Ruby; Paul Cotton
>> Cc: HTMLWG WG; Judy Brewer; Janina Sajka; Michael Cooper; Michael(tm)
>> Smith
>>
>> Subject: re-open request for issue 31
>>
>> Dear Chairs I would appreciate your consideration of the following.
>>
>> Re-open request for the location of normative text alternative
>> requirements aspect of
>> ISSUE-31: Author conformance requirements for the alt attribute on
>> images
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/movealt
>>
>>
>> --
>> with regards
>>
>> Steve Faulkner
>> Technical Director - TPG
>>
>> www.paciellogroup.com<http://www.paciellogroup.com> |
>> www.HTML5accessibility.com<http://www.HTML5accessibility.com> |
>> www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner<http://www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner>
>> HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives -
>> dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/<http://dev.w3.org/html5/alt-technique
>> s/> Web Accessibility Toolbar -
>> www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
>> <http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> with regards
>>
>> Steve Faulkner
>> Technical Director - TPG
>>
>> www.paciellogroup.com<http://www.paciellogroup.com> |
>> www.HTML5accessibility.com<http://www.HTML5accessibility.com> |
>> www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner<http://www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner>
>> HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives -
>> dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/<http://dev.w3.org/html5/alt-technique
>> s/> Web Accessibility Toolbar -
>> www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
>> <http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html>
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka,   Phone:  +1.443.300.2200
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>
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>
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>
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Laura L. Carlson
Received on Wednesday, 15 February 2012 21:06:47 GMT

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