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RE: FW: re-open request for issue 31

From: Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:50:09 +0000
To: "Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> (janina@rednote.net)" <janina@rednote.net>
CC: "Judy Brewer <jbrewer@w3.org> (jbrewer@w3.org)" <jbrewer@w3.org>, "Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> (faulkner.steve@gmail.com)" <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>, "public-html-a11y@w3.org" <public-html-a11y@w3.org>, "Sam Ruby (rubys@intertwingly.net)" <rubys@intertwingly.net>, "Maciej Stachowiak (mjs@apple.com)" <mjs@apple.com>
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> In looking around the various archives I found where a WG decision determined to retain Steve's Alt doc, but I did not find any determination relating to the incorrect guidance in the actual HTML spec. What am I missing? Any pointer much appreciated.

Adding Sam and Maciej to this thread.

/paulc

Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329


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From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> (janina@rednote.net) [mailto:janina@rednote.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 1:52 PM
To: Paul Cotton
Cc: Judy Brewer <jbrewer@w3.org> (jbrewer@w3.org); Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> (faulkner.steve@gmail.com); public-html-a11y@w3.org
Subject: Re: FW: re-open request for issue 31

Hello, Paul:

We do have this on the TF agenda for tomorrow. Thanks for the heads up and the opportunity to perfect the CP.

In looking around the various archives I found where a WG decision determined to retain Steve's Alt doc, but I did not find any determination relating to the incorrect guidance in the actual HTML spec. What am I missing? Any pointer much appreciated.

Janina

Paul Cotton writes:
> The Chairs have reviewed this re-open request and believe the request is incomplete since it does not currently explicitly identify the new information that the Chairs should use as the basis of a re-open decision.
> 
> Could the A11Y TF please determine how to improve this re-open request since the WG Chairs currently feel is does not justify re-opening ISSUE-31?
> 
> /paulc
> 
> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
> 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
> Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329
> 
> From: Steve Faulkner [mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 2:08 PM
> To: Paul Cotton
> Cc: Maciej Stachowiak; Sam Ruby; HTMLWG WG; Judy Brewer; Janina Sajka; 
> Michael Cooper; Michael(tm) Smith
> Subject: Re: re-open request for issue 31
> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> First let me make this clear.
> This is not 'my' proposal it is a proposal that I have recently been tasked to produce for the HTML WG accessibility taskforce.
> Due to circumstances there has not been time for the proposal to be vetted and agreed upon by the taskforce prior to it's submission.
> If the taskforce decides that they cannot support the contents of the proposal I have submitted on their behalf, and there is no possibility, due to HTML WG process, for modification, to reach a consensus proposal, I will withdraw the proposal I have submitted.
> 
> I have attempted to make clear the 2 reasons for re-opening. I have also outlined a set of changes.
> 
> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/movealt
> 
> regards
> Stevef
> On 11 February 2012 14:41, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com<mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>> wrote:
> The WG Decision Policy gives the following description of a re-open request:
> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/html5/decision-policy/decision-pol
> icy-v2.html?rev=1.38;content-type=text%2Fhtml#reopening<http://dev.w3.
> org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy-v2.htm
> l?rev=1.38;content-type=text%2Fhtml#reopening>
> 
> 1. Submit a Reopen Request
> A request to reopen an issue should be submitted to the public-html@w3.org<mailto:public-html@w3.org> mailing list. A request to reopen should identify the issue to be reopened, and should include the following:
> *         Material new information relevant to the decision, for example of the type identified by the decision itself as relevant.
> *         A revised Change Proposal incorporating the new information as rationale.
> For reopening to be seriously considered, this new information and 
> proposal must be likely to have been enough to materially change the decision, lacking refutation or additional new information, When I read your re-open request at http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/movealt I cannot find a "revised change proposal incorporating the new information as rationale".  Do you have such a change proposal?
> 
> Your re-open request appears to be more of a history of how ISSUE-31 was processed and the current state of the HTML5 specifications than a request that provides "material new information relevant to the decision".  Can you please more clearly identify the "material new information" you are providing as your rationale for re-opening ISSUE-31?
> 
> /paulc
> 
> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
> 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
> Tel: (425) 705-9596<tel:%28425%29%20705-9596> Fax: (425) 
> 936-7329<tel:%28425%29%20936-7329>
> 
> From: Steve Faulkner 
> [mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com<mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com>]
> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 6:00 AM
> To: Maciej Stachowiak; Sam Ruby; Paul Cotton
> Cc: HTMLWG WG; Judy Brewer; Janina Sajka; Michael Cooper; Michael(tm) 
> Smith
> 
> Subject: re-open request for issue 31
> 
> Dear Chairs I would appreciate your consideration of the following.
> 
> Re-open request for the location of normative text alternative 
> requirements aspect of
> ISSUE-31: Author conformance requirements for the alt attribute on 
> images
> 
> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/movealt
> 
> 
> --
> with regards
> 
> Steve Faulkner
> Technical Director - TPG
> 
> www.paciellogroup.com<http://www.paciellogroup.com> | 
> www.HTML5accessibility.com<http://www.HTML5accessibility.com> | 
> www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner<http://www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner>
> HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives - 
> dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/<http://dev.w3.org/html5/alt-technique
> s/> Web Accessibility Toolbar - 
> www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
> <http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html>
> 
> 
> 
> --
> with regards
> 
> Steve Faulkner
> Technical Director - TPG
> 
> www.paciellogroup.com<http://www.paciellogroup.com> | 
> www.HTML5accessibility.com<http://www.HTML5accessibility.com> | 
> www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner<http://www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner>
> HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives - 
> dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/<http://dev.w3.org/html5/alt-technique
> s/> Web Accessibility Toolbar - 
> www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
> <http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html>

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Janina Sajka,	Phone:	+1.443.300.2200
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