- From: Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
- Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 07:04:22 -0600
- To: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
- Cc: HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Hi Janina, Steve, and all, >> Maybe comb the bug reports for WONTFIX text issues and check for a pattern? > You're reading my mind! <grin> The query for WONTFIX a11y_text-alt Bugs is: http://tinyurl.com/7kkfsw2 It might be good to recheck all of the a11y bugs to make sure all text bugs indeed have the a11y_text-alt keyword applied. Hope this helps. Best Regards, Laura On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 3:10 PM, "Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote: > Laura: > > You're reading my mind! <grin> > > Laura Carlson writes: >> Hi Janina, >> >> I don't think we had a determination relating to the and all >> encompassing incorrect guidance issue. Incorrect guidance was handled >> by individual bug reports. >> >> I assume that the issue could be reopened on that basis if a systemic >> pattern of problems was identified. As the decision stated the issue >> could be reopened with: >> >> "Identification of a systemic pattern of problems based on specific >> bug reports and their ultimate resolution and identify a solution that >> specifically addresses the underlying causes." [1] >> >> Maybe comb the bug reports for WONTFIX text issues and check for a pattern? >> >> Best Regards, >> Laura >> [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0453.html >> >> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> In looking around the various archives I found where a WG decision determined to retain Steve's Alt doc, but I did not find any determination relating to the incorrect guidance in the actual HTML spec. What am I missing? Any pointer much appreciated. >> > >> > Adding Sam and Maciej to this thread. >> > >> > /paulc >> > >> > Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada >> > 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3 >> > Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329 >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> (janina@rednote.net) [mailto:janina@rednote.net] >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 1:52 PM >> > To: Paul Cotton >> > Cc: Judy Brewer <jbrewer@w3.org> (jbrewer@w3.org); Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> (faulkner.steve@gmail.com); public-html-a11y@w3.org >> > Subject: Re: FW: re-open request for issue 31 >> > >> > Hello, Paul: >> > >> > We do have this on the TF agenda for tomorrow. Thanks for the heads up and the opportunity to perfect the CP. >> > >> > In looking around the various archives I found where a WG decision determined to retain Steve's Alt doc, but I did not find any determination relating to the incorrect guidance in the actual HTML spec. What am I missing? Any pointer much appreciated. >> > >> > Janina >> > >> > Paul Cotton writes: >> >> The Chairs have reviewed this re-open request and believe the request is incomplete since it does not currently explicitly identify the new information that the Chairs should use as the basis of a re-open decision. >> >> >> >> Could the A11Y TF please determine how to improve this re-open request since the WG Chairs currently feel is does not justify re-opening ISSUE-31? >> >> >> >> /paulc >> >> >> >> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada >> >> 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3 >> >> Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329 >> >> >> >> From: Steve Faulkner [mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com] >> >> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 2:08 PM >> >> To: Paul Cotton >> >> Cc: Maciej Stachowiak; Sam Ruby; HTMLWG WG; Judy Brewer; Janina Sajka; >> >> Michael Cooper; Michael(tm) Smith >> >> Subject: Re: re-open request for issue 31 >> >> >> >> Hi Paul, >> >> >> >> First let me make this clear. >> >> This is not 'my' proposal it is a proposal that I have recently been tasked to produce for the HTML WG accessibility taskforce. >> >> Due to circumstances there has not been time for the proposal to be vetted and agreed upon by the taskforce prior to it's submission. >> >> If the taskforce decides that they cannot support the contents of the proposal I have submitted on their behalf, and there is no possibility, due to HTML WG process, for modification, to reach a consensus proposal, I will withdraw the proposal I have submitted. >> >> >> >> I have attempted to make clear the 2 reasons for re-opening. I have also outlined a set of changes. >> >> >> >> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/movealt >> >> >> >> regards >> >> Stevef >> >> On 11 February 2012 14:41, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com<mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>> wrote: >> >> The WG Decision Policy gives the following description of a re-open request: >> >> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/html5/decision-policy/decision-pol >> >> icy-v2.html?rev=1.38;content-type=text%2Fhtml#reopening<http://dev.w3. >> >> org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy-v2.htm >> >> l?rev=1.38;content-type=text%2Fhtml#reopening> >> >> >> >> 1. Submit a Reopen Request >> >> A request to reopen an issue should be submitted to the public-html@w3.org<mailto:public-html@w3.org> mailing list. A request to reopen should identify the issue to be reopened, and should include the following: >> >> * Material new information relevant to the decision, for example of the type identified by the decision itself as relevant. >> >> * A revised Change Proposal incorporating the new information as rationale. >> >> For reopening to be seriously considered, this new information and >> >> proposal must be likely to have been enough to materially change the decision, lacking refutation or additional new information, When I read your re-open request at http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/movealt I cannot find a "revised change proposal incorporating the new information as rationale". Do you have such a change proposal? >> >> >> >> Your re-open request appears to be more of a history of how ISSUE-31 was processed and the current state of the HTML5 specifications than a request that provides "material new information relevant to the decision". Can you please more clearly identify the "material new information" you are providing as your rationale for re-opening ISSUE-31? >> >> >> >> /paulc >> >> >> >> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada >> >> 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3 >> >> Tel: (425) 705-9596<tel:%28425%29%20705-9596> Fax: (425) >> >> 936-7329<tel:%28425%29%20936-7329> >> >> >> >> From: Steve Faulkner >> >> [mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com<mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com>] >> >> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 6:00 AM >> >> To: Maciej Stachowiak; Sam Ruby; Paul Cotton >> >> Cc: HTMLWG WG; Judy Brewer; Janina Sajka; Michael Cooper; Michael(tm) >> >> Smith >> >> >> >> Subject: re-open request for issue 31 >> >> >> >> Dear Chairs I would appreciate your consideration of the following. >> >> >> >> Re-open request for the location of normative text alternative >> >> requirements aspect of >> >> ISSUE-31: Author conformance requirements for the alt attribute on >> >> images >> >> >> >> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/movealt >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> with regards >> >> >> >> Steve Faulkner >> >> Technical Director - TPG >> >> >> >> www.paciellogroup.com<http://www.paciellogroup.com> | >> >> www.HTML5accessibility.com<http://www.HTML5accessibility.com> | >> >> www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner<http://www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner> >> >> HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives - >> >> dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/<http://dev.w3.org/html5/alt-technique >> >> s/> Web Accessibility Toolbar - >> >> www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html >> >> <http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> with regards >> >> >> >> Steve Faulkner >> >> Technical Director - TPG >> >> >> >> www.paciellogroup.com<http://www.paciellogroup.com> | >> >> www.HTML5accessibility.com<http://www.HTML5accessibility.com> | >> >> www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner<http://www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner> >> >> HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives - >> >> dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/<http://dev.w3.org/html5/alt-technique >> >> s/> Web Accessibility Toolbar - >> >> www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html >> >> <http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html> >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 >> > sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net >> > >> > Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org >> > Linux Foundation http://a11y.org >> > >> > Chair, Protocols & Formats >> > Web Accessibility Initiative http://www.w3.org/wai/pf >> > World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Laura L. Carlson > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 > sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net > > Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org > Linux Foundation http://a11y.org > > Chair, Protocols & Formats > Web Accessibility Initiative http://www.w3.org/wai/pf > World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) > -- Laura L. Carlson
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