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Re: FW: re-open request for issue 31

From: Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 07:04:22 -0600
Message-ID: <CAOavpvekbgqL-=9A8A+TESGt56T=QcJx1tTgsDozO1s17-SVzg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Cc: HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Hi Janina, Steve, and all,

>> Maybe comb the bug reports for WONTFIX text issues and check for a pattern?

> You're reading my mind! <grin>

The query for WONTFIX a11y_text-alt  Bugs is:
http://tinyurl.com/7kkfsw2

It might be good to recheck all of the a11y bugs to make sure all text
bugs indeed have the a11y_text-alt keyword applied.

Hope this helps.

Best Regards,
Laura

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 3:10 PM, "Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote:
> Laura:
>
> You're reading my mind! <grin>
>
> Laura Carlson writes:
>> Hi Janina,
>>
>> I don't think we had a determination relating to the and all
>> encompassing incorrect guidance issue. Incorrect guidance was handled
>> by individual bug reports.
>>
>> I assume that the issue could be reopened on that basis  if a systemic
>> pattern of problems was identified. As the decision stated the issue
>> could be reopened with:
>>
>> "Identification of a systemic pattern of problems based on specific
>> bug reports and their ultimate resolution and identify a solution that
>> specifically addresses the underlying causes." [1]
>>
>> Maybe comb the bug reports for WONTFIX text issues and check for a pattern?
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Laura
>> [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0453.html
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com> wrote:
>> >> In looking around the various archives I found where a WG decision determined to retain Steve's Alt doc, but I did not find any determination relating to the incorrect guidance in the actual HTML spec. What am I missing? Any pointer much appreciated.
>> >
>> > Adding Sam and Maciej to this thread.
>> >
>> > /paulc
>> >
>> > Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
>> > 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
>> > Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> (janina@rednote.net) [mailto:janina@rednote.net]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 1:52 PM
>> > To: Paul Cotton
>> > Cc: Judy Brewer <jbrewer@w3.org> (jbrewer@w3.org); Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> (faulkner.steve@gmail.com); public-html-a11y@w3.org
>> > Subject: Re: FW: re-open request for issue 31
>> >
>> > Hello, Paul:
>> >
>> > We do have this on the TF agenda for tomorrow. Thanks for the heads up and the opportunity to perfect the CP.
>> >
>> > In looking around the various archives I found where a WG decision determined to retain Steve's Alt doc, but I did not find any determination relating to the incorrect guidance in the actual HTML spec. What am I missing? Any pointer much appreciated.
>> >
>> > Janina
>> >
>> > Paul Cotton writes:
>> >> The Chairs have reviewed this re-open request and believe the request is incomplete since it does not currently explicitly identify the new information that the Chairs should use as the basis of a re-open decision.
>> >>
>> >> Could the A11Y TF please determine how to improve this re-open request since the WG Chairs currently feel is does not justify re-opening ISSUE-31?
>> >>
>> >> /paulc
>> >>
>> >> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
>> >> 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
>> >> Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329
>> >>
>> >> From: Steve Faulkner [mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com]
>> >> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 2:08 PM
>> >> To: Paul Cotton
>> >> Cc: Maciej Stachowiak; Sam Ruby; HTMLWG WG; Judy Brewer; Janina Sajka;
>> >> Michael Cooper; Michael(tm) Smith
>> >> Subject: Re: re-open request for issue 31
>> >>
>> >> Hi Paul,
>> >>
>> >> First let me make this clear.
>> >> This is not 'my' proposal it is a proposal that I have recently been tasked to produce for the HTML WG accessibility taskforce.
>> >> Due to circumstances there has not been time for the proposal to be vetted and agreed upon by the taskforce prior to it's submission.
>> >> If the taskforce decides that they cannot support the contents of the proposal I have submitted on their behalf, and there is no possibility, due to HTML WG process, for modification, to reach a consensus proposal, I will withdraw the proposal I have submitted.
>> >>
>> >> I have attempted to make clear the 2 reasons for re-opening. I have also outlined a set of changes.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/movealt
>> >>
>> >> regards
>> >> Stevef
>> >> On 11 February 2012 14:41, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com<mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>> wrote:
>> >> The WG Decision Policy gives the following description of a re-open request:
>> >> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/html5/decision-policy/decision-pol
>> >> icy-v2.html?rev=1.38;content-type=text%2Fhtml#reopening<http://dev.w3.
>> >> org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy-v2.htm
>> >> l?rev=1.38;content-type=text%2Fhtml#reopening>
>> >>
>> >> 1. Submit a Reopen Request
>> >> A request to reopen an issue should be submitted to the public-html@w3.org<mailto:public-html@w3.org> mailing list. A request to reopen should identify the issue to be reopened, and should include the following:
>> >> *         Material new information relevant to the decision, for example of the type identified by the decision itself as relevant.
>> >> *         A revised Change Proposal incorporating the new information as rationale.
>> >> For reopening to be seriously considered, this new information and
>> >> proposal must be likely to have been enough to materially change the decision, lacking refutation or additional new information, When I read your re-open request at http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/movealt I cannot find a "revised change proposal incorporating the new information as rationale".  Do you have such a change proposal?
>> >>
>> >> Your re-open request appears to be more of a history of how ISSUE-31 was processed and the current state of the HTML5 specifications than a request that provides "material new information relevant to the decision".  Can you please more clearly identify the "material new information" you are providing as your rationale for re-opening ISSUE-31?
>> >>
>> >> /paulc
>> >>
>> >> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
>> >> 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
>> >> Tel: (425) 705-9596<tel:%28425%29%20705-9596> Fax: (425)
>> >> 936-7329<tel:%28425%29%20936-7329>
>> >>
>> >> From: Steve Faulkner
>> >> [mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com<mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com>]
>> >> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 6:00 AM
>> >> To: Maciej Stachowiak; Sam Ruby; Paul Cotton
>> >> Cc: HTMLWG WG; Judy Brewer; Janina Sajka; Michael Cooper; Michael(tm)
>> >> Smith
>> >>
>> >> Subject: re-open request for issue 31
>> >>
>> >> Dear Chairs I would appreciate your consideration of the following.
>> >>
>> >> Re-open request for the location of normative text alternative
>> >> requirements aspect of
>> >> ISSUE-31: Author conformance requirements for the alt attribute on
>> >> images
>> >>
>> >> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/movealt
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> with regards
>> >>
>> >> Steve Faulkner
>> >> Technical Director - TPG
>> >>
>> >> www.paciellogroup.com<http://www.paciellogroup.com> |
>> >> www.HTML5accessibility.com<http://www.HTML5accessibility.com> |
>> >> www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner<http://www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner>
>> >> HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives -
>> >> dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/<http://dev.w3.org/html5/alt-technique
>> >> s/> Web Accessibility Toolbar -
>> >> www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
>> >> <http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> with regards
>> >>
>> >> Steve Faulkner
>> >> Technical Director - TPG
>> >>
>> >> www.paciellogroup.com<http://www.paciellogroup.com> |
>> >> www.HTML5accessibility.com<http://www.HTML5accessibility.com> |
>> >> www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner<http://www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner>
>> >> HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives -
>> >> dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/<http://dev.w3.org/html5/alt-technique
>> >> s/> Web Accessibility Toolbar -
>> >> www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
>> >> <http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html>
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Janina Sajka,   Phone:  +1.443.300.2200
>> >                sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
>> >
>> > Chair, Open Accessibility       janina@a11y.org
>> > Linux Foundation                http://a11y.org
>> >
>> > Chair, Protocols & Formats
>> > Web Accessibility Initiative    http://www.w3.org/wai/pf
>> > World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Laura L. Carlson
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka,   Phone:  +1.443.300.2200
>                sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
>
> Chair, Open Accessibility       janina@a11y.org
> Linux Foundation                http://a11y.org
>
> Chair, Protocols & Formats
> Web Accessibility Initiative    http://www.w3.org/wai/pf
> World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
>



-- 
Laura L. Carlson
Received on Thursday, 16 February 2012 13:04:55 GMT

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