- From: Ian Davis <ian.davis@talis.com>
- Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:54:07 +0100
- To: public-grddl-wg <public-grddl-wg@w3.org>
See: http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-grddl-wg-minutes
11 Oct 2006
See also: IRC log (http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-grddl-wg-irc)
Attendees
Present
FabienGandon HarryH Murray briansuda danc iand
Regrets
Ben_Adida
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
iand
Contents
* Topics
1. Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2006-10-11T11:00-0400
2. Cross-Introduction
3. Discussion of Primer Document
4. GRDDL Spec:
5. [#issue-output-formats] which output formats should GRDDL
support?
6. [#issue-mt-ns]
* Summary of Action Items
<DanC> "Wednesday, October 11, 2006 at 15:00:00 Wed 11:00 AM * Wed 4:00
PM *"
<DanC> that's UTC / Boston / London
Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2006-10-11T11:00-0400
<HarryH> Sorry running late...
<DanC> unknown: Rachel Yager, Chimezie Ogbuji, Danny Ayers
<HarryH> +??P is HarryH
Minutes from last meeting to be sent out again for review
Murray: sent out introduction work, waiting for comments
iand: haven't had time to read it thoroughly
FabienGandon: what's process on editing?
HarryH: editors version can be changed whenever
danc: intro feels a bit long
<scribe> ACTION: iand to review Murray's suggested intro [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]
danc: hello world example needs thought
<HarryH>
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Oct/0007.html
murray: needs rdf description of the stand in resource description section
HarryH: might be nice to have same examples everywhere
danc: readers may skip to examples
HarryH: do we lose the point if we don't elaborate the examples?
murray: if we put in 2 bits of code, e.g. 5-6 lines of markup making
assertions about authors in fragments of different languages
... docbook, link rel="author" etc
danc: pick examples from real languages
HarryH: what about linking to the examples in the primer?
murray: not in intro - it should be self-contained
danc: dave booth asking for full xml example, we'll get to it
. ACTION: Danc to flesh out ways to express author information in
different markups languages
danc, is that ok?
<DanC> yes
<scribe> ACTION: Danc to flesh out ways to express author information in
different markup languages [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]
<DanC> MM: http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec#issue-output-formats
1.103 is current
Cross-Introduction
<DanC> (I think the 2 actions in the agenda are done.)
HarryH: chimezie expressed some concerns that 2 example were not flowing
well enough
... should we use real data or not?
danc: there might be real hreview data, but they're usually not xhtml
and don't have grddl markup
... which means we have to copy, asking permission
... is it fair to copy yahoo data but not other W3C members'?
... would prefer to use real data
Murray: shouldn't tidy up existing data
HarryH: should we go back to reviews with manufactured data?
murray: what about getting w3c staff to write reviews of restaurants in
cambridge and get them posted?
danc: i have hotel reviews
HarryH: we need more than one reviewer for example to make sense
danc: one hotel review is in edinburgh
<HarryH> we could try to make reviews
<HarryH> of hotels.
danc: want to talk about xbrl
... xbrl uses xml schema and taxonomies which are like rdf schemas
... how much do we specify and how much do we evangelise?
murray: are we a bit early? do you want to work on a transformation and
put in primer?
danc: yes I want to and we could be early
... linkedin use hresume
... might be easier than xbrl
murray: i think dan ought to spend more time on section 4 of draft, less
mathematics
Discussion of Primer Document
GRDDL Spec:
danc: danny was going to look at test cases, ian too?
iand: would like to be involved
[#issue-output-formats] which output formats should GRDDL support?
danc: don't close formats issue yet - ben adida and brian mcbride have
some comments
scribe notes some discussion on local policy vs intention of author
[#issue-mt-ns]
HarryH: when should we ship spec? wait for tests?
danc: ready to go now
<HarryH> Brian's question about conneg and GRDDL
<HarryH>
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Oct/0009.html
murray: example of language conneg. without accept header the server
sends english version, but my browser asks for spanish version
... grddl transformation will fetch from server and possibly get
different language version
... how to fix this for the non technical user?
<HarryH> harry: GRDDL processors SHOULD support XSLT 1.0 and MAY support
other
<HarryH> transformation languages."
<HarryH> GRDDL-aware agents SHOULD support XSLT 1.0 and MAY support
other transformation languages
murray: believe dan's position is that "processor" shouldn't be
mentioned but that the document shoud simply define the grddl terms
harry: what about putting this kind of language in primer?
we already have the following in primer: "Generally, if the
transformation can be fully expressed in XSLT 1.0 then it is preferable
to use that format since all GRDDL processors should be capable of
interpreting an XSLT 1.0 document."
HarryH: add a test case too
<HarryH> add another use-case that adds XMLProc?
<DanC> spec says "The transformation link type refers to a
transformation algorithm that should have a available representations in
widely-supported formats. We expect most consumers to support XSLT
version 1[XSLT1] for the foreseeable future, though XSLT2[XSLT2]
deployment is increasing. "
<HarryH> Xlinclude case
<HarryH> Content negotation case
<HarryH> IanD: interested in content negotiation test case
<scribe> ACTION: iand to construct a content negotiation test case
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]
scribe notes some discussion on grddl mechanism of passing document or
infoset to transformation
danc: let's work through comments
<HarryH>
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2006OctDec/0001.html
<HarryH> ACTION: iand to address comments on primer [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]
<HarryH> ACTION DanC to handle Michael Hausenblas comments
<HarryH> ACTION: Murray (namespaces) to go over Section 4 of GRDDL Spec
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]
harry: what the critical path now on the spec?
<HarryH> Murray: Example in introduction and Namespaces Section in
Critical Path
<HarryH> Meeting adjourned!
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Danc to flesh out ways to express author
information in different markup languages [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: iand to address comments on primer [recorded
in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: iand to construct a content negotiation test
case [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: iand to review Murray's suggested intro [recorded
in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Murray (namespaces) to go over Section 4 of GRDDL
Spec [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]
[End of minutes]
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