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Re: technical web standards for eGov

From: Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 10:15:00 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <1335978900.85130.YahooMailNeo@web112608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
To: "paoladimaio10@googlemail.com" <paoladimaio10@googlemail.com>
Cc: "eGov IG \(Public\)" <public-egov-ig@w3.org>
What belongs in the cloud is the tables which refer to a specific domain.  Australia is a nice first one since they have a very orderly eGov already set up.  I haven't heard anything from Chris Beer about http://www.myregion.gov.au/ for some time, but that would be a logical extension for Australia.  I have 256 sets of subdivisions total, so I'll begin some of the other "modules".
Brazil is next up because they have a URN:LEX site, and you can see your searches in action http://www.lexml.gov.br/

I'll post another zip file soon with a "main" setup and an "australia" module setup.

Although we know we need good definitions for terms like Democracy, Transparency, Transformative, etc.  we have to add "domain" (as in Government Agency) to the list since the other definitions mean little if "domain" means whatever you want it to mean.  For example, the Romania's website is available in English http://www.gov.ro/main/index/l/2/ Governments advertise to promote tourism, that is a separate "Topic" from eGov, Legislation, Environment, etc..

--Gannon



----- Original Message -----
From: Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
To: Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com>
Cc: eGov IG (Public) <public-egov-ig@w3.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 5:20 AM
Subject: Re: technical web standards for eGov

Thank you v much G

sounds great!



>IThe D2R Server runs in a browser on
> your local machine, at the "local" domain.

thats what puzzles me I guess. why locally, and  not virtual, in the
cloud, where it should run?

I presume it is because the data sets needs to be downloaded,
normalised and tidied up before being queried to reduce errors?

I cannot think of any other reason why SW applications would need to
run locally.


P







All of the files are in the
> right place.  Since you can also do an RDF dump, you have everything you
> need to run Callimachus - which is what runs the W3C GLD Community Directory
> http://dir.w3.org/ So, the D2R Server is just another route to Government
> Linked Data.  My tool is intended to address the "domain" problem.  If the
> domain covers too wide an area you cannot deliver science (Brand knows a lot
> about this) and maintain service levels across the domain.  If the sewer
> system in NYC is stressed it makes no difference if the sewer system in Los
> Angeles has extra capacity.  Sewer system relationships do not change when
> linked.  You can get a visualization of what "stressed" means, but linked
> data does not solve the problems it may uncover.
>
> I'll try and post some tutorials tomorrow.
>
> --Gannon
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
> To: Brand Niemann <bniemann@cox.net>
> Cc: Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com>; paoladimaio10@googlemail.com; eGov
> IG (Public) <public-egov-ig@w3.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 2:25 PM
>
> Subject: Re: technical web standards for eGov
>
> Thank you Gannon and Brand
>
>
> hadnt understood  I need to download d2r from github to make sense of
> the ttl file
>
>> I used the D2R Server because 1) It delivers Linked Data in a portable
>> format, and 2) The web server is relatively easy to get working on a local
>> machine.
>
> ok-  but can D2R functionalities not be served as a web service?
> (thats what i'd aim for)
>
> Please consider writing some tutorials and how tos
> for people to get on the same page on you with this data, and let me
> know if I can help with foolproofing and promoting any outcomes.
> Or even better, send some diagrams!!
>
> I ll have a go though (feeling inadequate)
>
> Cheers
>
> P
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Brand Niemann <bniemann@cox.net> wrote:
>> I was a able to do something with Gannon’s data:
>> http://semanticommunity.info/Gannon_Dick
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Gannon Dick [mailto:gannon_dick@yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:02 PM
>> To: paoladimaio10@googlemail.com; eGov IG (Public)
>> Subject: Re: technical web standards for eGov
>>
>>
>>
>> XML (HTML, etc.) is human readable, but linked data is not "human
>> comprehensible".  Visualizations provide some ideas, but it's an old story
>> ... when you are looking at a marked-up document you are looking at a
>> picture of text content, not the text itself.  DATA.GOV published a Drupal
>> 6
>> implementation some time ago on github.  There is a lot of terminology to
>> cope with there too.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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> You don't need to do any further development of the framework.
>> The D2R Server software is available on github.  It is also possible, if
>> you
>> control the data base to extract data directly in a familiar
>> outline/subject
>> heading form.  If you don't know what the screen shots mean it is because
>> trying to draw a picture of a hypercube looks strange under the best of
>> circumstances.  "What the heck is that ?" is fine as long as you
>> understand
>> that "that" is something desirable to have when you are done.
>>
>>
>>
>> That said, eGov is a "vertical", a Public Utility, of the Top Level
>> Domains.  No other formulation makes sense ... the risk is that at the
>> bottom, governance breaks down.  At the bottom, linked data and the
>> semantic
>> web break down from the same cause, although it can not be said for the
>> same
>> reason.  Commercial domains are free to "fly-over" (exclude) customers
>> from
>> their markets.  Governments can not operate this way (excluding people)
>> for
>> very long.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm sure I need more examples that look like familiar organization tables
>> ... working on it :o)
>>
>>
>>
>> --Gannon
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
>> To: eGov IG (Public) <public-egov-ig@w3.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 8:59 AM
>> Subject: technical web standards for eGov
>>
>>
>> Now, having Gannon send a file that the browser cannot open brings up
>> another issue, which may be more general to SW.
>>
>> Should we, as a W3C IG  ensure that (at least one version of) data
>> files and docs  re e-Gov shared via the web are  at a minimum,
>> accessible via web based technologies (I know the browser, is there
>> anything else that is used to navigate the web these days that I may
>> not know of?)  and do not require physical data downloads?
>>
>> When people send me dumps expect me to download stuff
>> then they call it SW I cannot honestly believe this is where we are
>> (sorry if I missed some important updates)
>>
>>
>> P
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