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Re: technical web standards for eGov

From: Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 11:20:21 +0100
Message-ID: <CAMXe=SqZhiaMSBt0zj=R8LRT3PTpFNMg+4DkSc3oQZeg3wTKNg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com>
Cc: "eGov IG (Public)" <public-egov-ig@w3.org>
Thank you v much G

sounds great!



>IThe D2R Server runs in a browser on
> your local machine, at the "local" domain.

thats what puzzles me I guess. why locally, and  not virtual, in the
cloud, where it should run?

I presume it is because the data sets needs to be downloaded,
normalised and tidied up before being queried to reduce errors?

I cannot think of any other reason why SW applications would need to
run locally.


P







All of the files are in the
> right place.  Since you can also do an RDF dump, you have everything you
> need to run Callimachus - which is what runs the W3C GLD Community Directory
> http://dir.w3.org/  So, the D2R Server is just another route to Government
> Linked Data.  My tool is intended to address the "domain" problem.  If the
> domain covers too wide an area you cannot deliver science (Brand knows a lot
> about this) and maintain service levels across the domain.  If the sewer
> system in NYC is stressed it makes no difference if the sewer system in Los
> Angeles has extra capacity.  Sewer system relationships do not change when
> linked.  You can get a visualization of what "stressed" means, but linked
> data does not solve the problems it may uncover.
>
> I'll try and post some tutorials tomorrow.
>
> --Gannon
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
> To: Brand Niemann <bniemann@cox.net>
> Cc: Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com>; paoladimaio10@googlemail.com; eGov
> IG (Public) <public-egov-ig@w3.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 2:25 PM
>
> Subject: Re: technical web standards for eGov
>
> Thank you Gannon and Brand
>
>
> hadnt understood  I need to download d2r from github to make sense of
> the ttl file
>
>> I used the D2R Server because 1) It delivers Linked Data in a portable
>> format, and 2) The web server is relatively easy to get working on a local
>> machine.
>
> ok-  but can D2R functionalities not be served as a web service?
> (thats what i'd aim for)
>
> Please consider writing some tutorials and how tos
> for people to get on the same page on you with this data, and let me
> know if I can help with foolproofing and promoting any outcomes.
> Or even better, send some diagrams!!
>
> I ll have a go though (feeling inadequate)
>
> Cheers
>
> P
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Brand Niemann <bniemann@cox.net> wrote:
>> I was a able to do something with Gannon’s data:
>> http://semanticommunity.info/Gannon_Dick
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Gannon Dick [mailto:gannon_dick@yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:02 PM
>> To: paoladimaio10@googlemail.com; eGov IG (Public)
>> Subject: Re: technical web standards for eGov
>>
>>
>>
>> XML (HTML, etc.) is human readable, but linked data is not "human
>> comprehensible".  Visualizations provide some ideas, but it's an old story
>> ... when you are looking at a marked-up document you are looking at a
>> picture of text content, not the text itself.  DATA.GOV published a Drupal
>> 6
>> implementation some time ago on github.  There is a lot of terminology to
>> cope with there too.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> You don't need to do any further development of the framework.
>> The D2R Server software is available on github.  It is also possible, if
>> you
>> control the data base to extract data directly in a familiar
>> outline/subject
>> heading form.  If you don't know what the screen shots mean it is because
>> trying to draw a picture of a hypercube looks strange under the best of
>> circumstances.  "What the heck is that ?" is fine as long as you
>> understand
>> that "that" is something desirable to have when you are done.
>>
>>
>>
>> That said, eGov is a "vertical", a Public Utility, of the Top Level
>> Domains.  No other formulation makes sense ... the risk is that at the
>> bottom, governance breaks down.  At the bottom, linked data and the
>> semantic
>> web break down from the same cause, although it can not be said for the
>> same
>> reason.  Commercial domains are free to "fly-over" (exclude) customers
>> from
>> their markets.  Governments can not operate this way (excluding people)
>> for
>> very long.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm sure I need more examples that look like familiar organization tables
>> ... working on it :o)
>>
>>
>>
>> --Gannon
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
>> To: eGov IG (Public) <public-egov-ig@w3.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 8:59 AM
>> Subject: technical web standards for eGov
>>
>>
>> Now, having Gannon send a file that the browser cannot open brings up
>> another issue, which may be more general to SW.
>>
>> Should we, as a W3C IG  ensure that (at least one version of) data
>> files and docs  re e-Gov shared via the web are  at a minimum,
>> accessible via web based technologies (I know the browser, is there
>> anything else that is used to navigate the web these days that I may
>> not know of?)  and do not require physical data downloads?
>>
>> When people send me dumps expect me to download stuff
>> then they call it SW I cannot honestly believe this is where we are
>> (sorry if I missed some important updates)
>>
>>
>> P
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