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Re: Fwd: what do you mean, e-gov?

From: Mick Phythian <mick.phythian@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:55:49 +0100
Message-ID: <CACBN7wGRQfiZ3+Mp2_QZq5tf86mHm-sb9md7MhvUjmiTxdTHgQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: paoladimaio10@googlemail.com
Cc: Tomasz Janowski <tj@iist.unu.edu>, "eGov IG (Public)" <public-egov-ig@w3.org>
I think you've discovered the difficulties I had in finding a working
definition of e-gov - hence the one I chose!

Along with a definition of e-gov you'll then need a definition of
democracy. Many of us are in representative democracies; what aspects of
e-government require/lead to is direct democracy - I labelled this one of
the 'antinomies of modern government'. True e-government and representative
democracy aren't compatible...

Mick http://greatemancipator.com

On 27 April 2012 11:47, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you Tomasz
>
>
> > The W3C definition of EGOV is at the top of http://www.w3.org/egov/:
> > "eGovernment is the use of the Web and other information technologies
> > by governments to interact with the citizenry, between departments and
> > divisions, and with other governments".
>
> Who wrote this definition? (should the provenance of the working
> definition be stated?)
>
> How do we know that this definition is adequate for our purpose, and
> represents the view of the list members?
> (certainly it does not represent my view of e-Gov, and others
> we have heard so far) :-)
>
>
>
> It seems to me that such a definition reinforces the structural gap between
> 'governement' and 'citizenry', rather than diminishing it.
>
> Many of us like to think,for example, that citizens *are* the
> government, before they given a blue collar and transformed into fuel
> for the bureaucratic, dysfunctional political machinery
>
> Given appropriate democratic practices and adoption of technologies
> that support their participation, there should be no us and them.
>
>
>
>
> > This process could perhaps lead to the revision of the W3C definition.
>
>
> oh yes, please :-)
> Thank you
>
>
> PDM
>
>
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tomasz
> >
> >
> >> In the definition below, I am particularly interested in the word
> >> *transformation.  *
> >> *
> >> *
> >> The question could be formulated as:
> >> how do bring transformation of traditional governance (from closed,
> >> secretive, self serving, corruption prone self established elites) to
> >>  e-governance (assuming we establish among the principles of self
> >> governance: opennes, transparency, serving the common good, accountable
> and
> >> participative)
> >
> >> Since you have a Phd on the subject, could it be a good idea if you
> started
> >> an essay on the topic, and get others to chip in?
> >> *
> >> *
> >> *Cheers*
> >> *
> >> *
> >> *PDM
> >> *
> >
> >> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Mick Phythian <
> mick.phythian@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >>> Having done a PhD on the area, the one I settled on was in a Canadian
> >>> report by Roy (2006, p.x), he further refines ‘e-government’ as “The
> >>> continuous innovation in the delivery of services, citizen
> participation,
> >>> and governance through the transformation of external and internal
> >>> relationships by the use of information  technology, especially the
> >>> Internet”.
> >>>
> >>> Roy, J. (2006). *E-Government in Canada* (Reprinted 2008 ed.). Ottawa,
> >>> Canada: University of Ottawa.com
> >>>
> >>> Best of a bad bunch!
> >>>
> >>> Mick http://greatemancipator.com - still lurking
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 24 April 2012 20:09, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> For those who have been around the last twenty years or any
> >>>> subset thereof, the question is not new. We each seem to
> >>>> use the same word with different meanings (anyone else laughing
> >>>> hysterically at this point?)
> >>>>
> >>>> I was recently giving a talk and providing my own definition(s), and
> >>>> would have liked
> >>>> to point to the W3C definition of egov. But I could not remember
> whether
> >>>> we agreed on one, and where it can be accessed.  Admittedly I have
> been
> >>>> away a lot lately.
> >>>>
> >>>> For example,  for me egovernance applies to both
> >>>> the governance of civil society institutions (presumably the
> governance
> >>>> democratic institutions that are ruled by first principles, and the
> >>>> universal declaration of human rights, although in reality there may
> not be
> >>>> many governments that do so), as well as the governance of online
> >>>> communities, whereby the information and decisions are mediated by
> online
> >>>> technologies, or something like that. But not sure if this has been
> >>>> discussed
> >>>> I do not remember any such discussions on list. Is it my memory
> failing
> >>>> me again?
> >>>>
> >>>> Any threads/uri's someone could kindly repost if these questions have
> >>>> already been asked?
> >>>>
> >>>>  if not, i would invite the IG Chairs to start off with some proposed
> >>>> definitions, either on list or on wiki page possibly one for each
> term in
> >>>> our shared vocabulary, (wiki? url......), then  members (other than
> pure
> >>>> lurkers) could introduce themseles and get their active participation
> in the
> >>>> group going by entering their own definitions/variations, with
> possibly a
> >>>> link to their profile
> >>>> so that we can start getting to know each other meaningfully?:-)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> sincerely
> >>>>
> >>>> PDM
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Mick Phythian PhD
> >>>
> >>> http://greatemancipator.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
>
>


-- 
Mick Phythian PhD

http://greatemancipator.com
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