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Re: Fwd: what do you mean, e-gov?

From: Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:04:09 +0100
Message-ID: <CAMXe=SqBgt8hhWQSRBw+9js9TVxnQmw6HXh2=fFvRBo=_8N2+A@mail.gmail.com>
To: Mick Phythian <mick.phythian@gmail.com>
Cc: "eGov IG (Public)" <public-egov-ig@w3.org>
Mick


> Along with a definition of e-gov you'll then need a definition of democracy.


There are different models for democracy, and that is probably where
the freedom of any country to select the most appropriate to their
culture/situation

http://www.democracy-building.info/systems-democracy.html

in turn, different forms of eGov  follow , that is something we may be
interested in discussing here further


PDM


> Many of us are in representative democracies; what aspects of e-government
> require/lead to is direct democracy - I labelled this one of the 'antinomies
> of modern government'. True e-government and representative democracy aren't
> compatible...
>
> Mick http://greatemancipator.com
>
> On 27 April 2012 11:47, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Tomasz
>>
>>
>> > The W3C definition of EGOV is at the top of http://www.w3.org/egov/:
>> > "eGovernment is the use of the Web and other information technologies
>> > by governments to interact with the citizenry, between departments and
>> > divisions, and with other governments".
>>
>> Who wrote this definition? (should the provenance of the working
>> definition be stated?)
>>
>> How do we know that this definition is adequate for our purpose, and
>> represents the view of the list members?
>> (certainly it does not represent my view of e-Gov, and others
>> we have heard so far) :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> It seems to me that such a definition reinforces the structural gap
>> between
>> 'governement' and 'citizenry', rather than diminishing it.
>>
>> Many of us like to think,for example, that citizens *are* the
>> government, before they given a blue collar and transformed into fuel
>> for the bureaucratic, dysfunctional political machinery
>>
>> Given appropriate democratic practices and adoption of technologies
>> that support their participation, there should be no us and them.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > This process could perhaps lead to the revision of the W3C definition.
>>
>>
>> oh yes, please :-)
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>> PDM
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Tomasz
>> >
>> >
>> >> In the definition below, I am particularly interested in the word
>> >> *transformation.  *
>> >> *
>> >> *
>> >> The question could be formulated as:
>> >> how do bring transformation of traditional governance (from closed,
>> >> secretive, self serving, corruption prone self established elites) to
>> >>  e-governance (assuming we establish among the principles of self
>> >> governance: opennes, transparency, serving the common good, accountable
>> >> and
>> >> participative)
>> >
>> >> Since you have a Phd on the subject, could it be a good idea if you
>> >> started
>> >> an essay on the topic, and get others to chip in?
>> >> *
>> >> *
>> >> *Cheers*
>> >> *
>> >> *
>> >> *PDM
>> >> *
>> >
>> >> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Mick Phythian
>> >> <mick.phythian@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >>> Having done a PhD on the area, the one I settled on was in a Canadian
>> >>> report by Roy (2006, p.x), he further refines ‘e-government’ as “The
>> >>> continuous innovation in the delivery of services, citizen
>> >>> participation,
>> >>> and governance through the transformation of external and internal
>> >>> relationships by the use of information  technology, especially the
>> >>> Internet”.
>> >>>
>> >>> Roy, J. (2006). *E-Government in Canada* (Reprinted 2008 ed.). Ottawa,
>> >>> Canada: University of Ottawa.com
>> >>>
>> >>> Best of a bad bunch!
>> >>>
>> >>> Mick http://greatemancipator.com - still lurking
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 24 April 2012 20:09, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> For those who have been around the last twenty years or any
>> >>>> subset thereof, the question is not new. We each seem to
>> >>>> use the same word with different meanings (anyone else laughing
>> >>>> hysterically at this point?)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I was recently giving a talk and providing my own definition(s), and
>> >>>> would have liked
>> >>>> to point to the W3C definition of egov. But I could not remember
>> >>>> whether
>> >>>> we agreed on one, and where it can be accessed.  Admittedly I have
>> >>>> been
>> >>>> away a lot lately.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> For example,  for me egovernance applies to both
>> >>>> the governance of civil society institutions (presumably the
>> >>>> governance
>> >>>> democratic institutions that are ruled by first principles, and the
>> >>>> universal declaration of human rights, although in reality there may
>> >>>> not be
>> >>>> many governments that do so), as well as the governance of online
>> >>>> communities, whereby the information and decisions are mediated by
>> >>>> online
>> >>>> technologies, or something like that. But not sure if this has been
>> >>>> discussed
>> >>>> I do not remember any such discussions on list. Is it my memory
>> >>>> failing
>> >>>> me again?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Any threads/uri's someone could kindly repost if these questions have
>> >>>> already been asked?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  if not, i would invite the IG Chairs to start off with some proposed
>> >>>> definitions, either on list or on wiki page possibly one for each
>> >>>> term in
>> >>>> our shared vocabulary, (wiki? url......), then  members (other than
>> >>>> pure
>> >>>> lurkers) could introduce themseles and get their active participation
>> >>>> in the
>> >>>> group going by entering their own definitions/variations, with
>> >>>> possibly a
>> >>>> link to their profile
>> >>>> so that we can start getting to know each other meaningfully?:-)
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> sincerely
>> >>>>
>> >>>> PDM
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Mick Phythian PhD
>> >>>
>> >>> http://greatemancipator.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Mick Phythian PhD
>
> http://greatemancipator.com
>
>
>
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