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RE: applications and vocabularies enabling public debates

From: Oscar Azanon <oscar.azanon@vitruviosistemas.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:27:04 +0200
To: "'Jose M. Alonso'" <josema@w3.org>, "'Luigi Selmi'" <selmi_luigi@hotmail.com>
Cc: <box1_price@debategraph.org>, "'Vassilios Peristeras'" <vassilios.peristeras@deri.org>, "'eGovIG'" <public-egov-ig@w3.org>, <david@debategraph.org>, <john.breslin@nuigalway.ie>, <siegfried.handschuh@deri.org>, "'John Sheridan'" <John.Sheridan@nationalarchives.gsi.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <009b01c9c34e$0e58dd20$2b0a9760$@azanon@vitruviosistemas.com>
Hi all,


I find the debategraph concept and implementation a really interesting
proposal .. 


Can anyone in the group help identify / propose an scenario where
debategraph would be used in a concrete, useful interoperability scenario?
Also, are ontologies RDF based?


Thanks everybody.






De: public-egov-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:public-egov-ig-request@w3.org] En
nombre de Jose M. Alonso
Enviado el: lunes, 20 de abril de 2009 13:54
Para: Luigi Selmi
CC: box1_price@debategraph.org; Vassilios Peristeras; eGovIG;
david@debategraph.org; john.breslin@nuigalway.ie;
siegfried.handschuh@deri.org; John Sheridan; Oscar Azanon
Asunto: Re: applications and vocabularies enabling public debates


Hi Luigi, all,


Sorry for reacting so late to this. I've created ISSUE-22 and attaching this
one to it.

I think this is also related to interoperability, so also attaching to

Copying John and Oscar as main authors of those sections to lead the
discussion and see how this could fit in the doc. I'm personally all for
adding as much useful examples as possible.






El 01/04/2009, a las 16:35, Luigi Selmi escribió:

Hi David and All,
It would be very interesting having a look of the public ontology that you
use or could implement based on your data model. I didn't find any document
about that ontology on the Debategraph site. Are you going to implement it ?
And in which language RDFS, OWL ? Do you have any plan to set up a SPARQL
endpoint other than the API in order to make queries over the maps? 


"A journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step." Lao Tzu

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addr.: 12 P.zza Roselle 00179 Rome, Italy 
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CC: selmi_luigi@hotmail.com; public-egov-ig@w3.org; david@debategraph.org;
From: box1_price@debategraph.org
To: vassilios.peristeras@deri.org
Subject: Re: applications and vocabularies enabling public debates
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:03 +0100

Thanks, Vassilios and Luigi. 


A couple of quick updates:


(1) We are working on an API to open up the public maps - and I would
welcome feedback from the group on any specific characteristics / features
you would like to see with / from the API.


(2) It is straightforward for us to implement different ontologies in
Debategraph (in addition to the public one we have three more operating
behind the scenes - as part of our internal architecture). So if anyone is
interested in experimenting with this, let me know. We plan to add a UI soon
to allow you to define and implement your own ontologies directly via the


Finally, if anyone is D.C. based and would like to meet, I'll be in
Washington towards the end of this month. 




David Price



Tel: +44 (0) 20 8144 2860

Web: debategraph.org

Blog: opentopersuasion.com

Twitter: twitter.com/debategraph


On 1 Apr 2009, at 12:26, "Peristeras, Vassilios"
<vassilios.peristeras@deri.org> wrote:

Hello Luigi, all.


I think that Obama’s administration takes steps in fast pace towards

OMB and GSA chief architects talk about semantics and vocabularies,
explicitly mentioning SIOC (see links below).

SIOC was developed by John Breslin’s team in NUIG/DERI, Galway (happy about
this ;-)

We currently work with debategraph in the WAVE project and try to see how we
could link semantics to arguments visualization tools. The idea is to create
a SIOC-Opinion extension.

If the group has an interest on this, we could provide some relevant info or
even a use case if it is not too late.

I cc David Price from debategraph and some colleagues from DERI.


Best regards,










From: public-egov-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:public-egov-ig-request@w3.org]
On Behalf Of Luigi Selmi
Sent: 01 April 2009 13:28
To: public-egov-ig@w3.org
Subject: applications and vocabularies enabling public debates


Hi All,
I think participation and C2G lack some explanations. Participation can be
viewed in very different ways. People can interact directly with the
government or between them in order to build a consensus around a position
that can be voted and proposed to the government. The first way can lead to
a form of populism, the second way is what is generally viewed as a better
and democratic kind of participation. Participation on the Web means doing
public debates on line. On a debate people should be able to raise issues,
write positions or arguments, post links to articles, blog post, videos. All
these data must be interoperable. Debategraph [1] is a good example of an on
line application that enable participation. Unfortunately it's not possible
to have the ontology/vocabulary or a kind of data model and no bulk download
of the data. It would be useful to point in the document to some vocabulary
that could support participation like SIOC [2] and maybe SWAN [3]. An
article that can be put as a reference about debates and argumentation is
"Mass argumentation and the semantic web" [4].


[1] http://debategraph.org/
[2] http://sioc-project.org/
[3] http://swan.mindinformatics.org/

"A journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step." Lao Tzu

Luigi Selmi, MSc 
addr.: 12 P.zza Roselle 00179 Rome, Italy 
skype: luigiselmi 
mobile: 3482405674

web site: http://www.sharesemantics.com

blog: http://www.sharesemantics.com/people/weblog

cv: http://www.linkedin.com/in/luigiselmi




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