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Re: Data on the Web Life Cycle

From: Laufer <laufer@globo.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 18:44:46 -0300
Message-ID: <CA+pXJiicbvYUBxp3vU69U1_omjVU8j=mUpm_95QJ_tVpJOFbHg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Steven Adler <adler1@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Leigh Dodds <leigh@ldodds.com>, Ig Ibert Bittencourt <ig.ibert@gmail.com>, Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br>, public-dwbp-wg <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
+1 Steve.


Best,
Laufer


2014-03-24 12:45 GMT-03:00 Steven Adler <adler1@us.ibm.com>:

> Leigh,
>
> Good points. The ambiguity exists in the mention of the word "open" data
> in the first bullet and its absence in the other two.  The tile mentions
> "Data on the Web." Some sections refer to "data," some to "open data,"
> others to "data on the web."
>
> I think we are all grappling with "what are we working on?". Is it Data,
> Open Data, or Data on the Web?
>
> Do we all understand the differences?
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
> ------------------------------
>
> *  From: *Leigh Dodds [leigh@ldodds.com]
> *  Sent: *03/24/2014 03:13 PM GMT
>
> *  To: *Steven Adler
> *  Cc: *Ig Ibert Bittencourt <ig.ibert@gmail.com>; Bernadette Farias
> Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br>; public-dwbp-wg <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
> *  Subject: *Re: Data on the Web Life Cycle
>
>
> Hi,
>
> We're talking about both. To be honest,  I don't think the charter is that
> ambiguous, the stated mission is:
>
> * to develop the open data ecosystem, facilitating better communication
> between developers and publishers;
> * to provide guidance to publishers that will improve consistency in the
> way data is managed, thus promoting the re-use of data;
> * to foster trust in the data among developers, whatever technology they
> choose to use, increasing the potential for genuine innovation.
>
> It also says that the group "...will be agnostic about the technologies it
> considers important" but promote linked data and promote best practices for
> formats such as CSV and JSON. Licensing and license terms are also declared
> out of scope.
>
> Whilst there are reasons why data might not be published openly,
> developers and publishers need to be clear on how individual datasets are
> licensed in order to foster trust, etc.
>
> Cheers,
>
> L.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Steven Adler <adler1@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>
>> Are we talking about open data or data on the web?  The charter is
>> ambiguous on this point.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steve
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *  From: *Leigh Dodds [leigh@ldodds.com]
>> *  Sent: *03/24/2014 02:31 PM GMT
>> *  To: *Steven Adler
>> *  Cc: *Ig Ibert Bittencourt <ig.ibert@gmail.com>; Bernadette Farias
>> Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br>; public-dwbp-wg <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
>>
>> *  Subject: *Re: Data on the Web Life Cycle
>>
>>
>> I agree that defining license terms and specific licences is out of
>> scope, but I think that its a best practice to publish data with licensing
>> information clearly defined, in both a human and machine-readable form.
>> That can be captured and recommended without restricting to specific
>> licences.
>>
>> I've done some work in this area already:
>>
>>
>> http://theodi.org/guides/publishers-guide-to-the-open-data-rights-statement-vocabulary
>> http://theodi.org/guides/odrs-reusers-guide
>>
>> Data published without licensing isn't really fit for reuse as otherwise
>> you can't determine what is legally permitted.
>>
>> L.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Steven Adler <adler1@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From my humble point of view license terms are legal considerations and
>>> out of scope for this WG. Even insisting on defining license terms without
>>> specifying which licenses one may choose from is a policy decision and
>>> beyond the remit of W3C.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *  From: *Ig Ibert Bittencourt [ig.ibert@gmail.com]
>>> *  Sent: *03/23/2014 02:40 PM ZW3
>>> *  To: *Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br>
>>> *  Cc: *Steven Adler; "public-dwbp-wg@w3.org" <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
>>> *  Subject: *Re: Data on the Web Life Cycle
>>>
>>> Hi Bernadette,
>>>
>>> That`s great. I did not see that ....
>>>
>>> I agree with you that to announce new data set could defined as a BP.
>>> However, I am not sure about the license. It is an option when you publish
>>> your data on the web. On the other hand, if you want to consider the data
>>> as "open data", them this is mandatory.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Ig
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-03-20 11:14 GMT-03:00 Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br>:
>>>
>>>> Hi Ig,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your comments!
>>>>
>>>> The two activities that you suggested are presented as possible Best
>>>> Practices (in the end of the slides). When I was describing the life cycle,
>>>> I was in doubt if they should be classified as activities or BP. In the
>>>> end, I made the choice for describing them as BP, once I consider that they
>>>> are "something that should be done"  instead of "something that must be
>>>> done". However, I think this is worth a deeper discussion :)
>>>>
>>>> Best regards!
>>>> Bernadette
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014-03-18 20:31 GMT-03:00 Ig Ibert Bittencourt <ig.ibert@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Bernadette,
>>>>>
>>>>> Great work. I really like the spiral proposal for Data on the Web Life
>>>>> Cycle. I believe this proposal complements the document about BP for
>>>>> Publishing LD [1].
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to recommend to take into account two activities:
>>>>>
>>>>>    1. To specify the license applied to the data and
>>>>>    2. To announce the new data set.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think this Spiral life cycle can really guide us to see the big
>>>>> picture of Best Practices from a publisher perspective.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/NOTE-ld-bp-20140109/
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Ig
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2014-03-18 18:35 GMT-03:00 Steven Adler <adler1@us.ibm.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Bernadette,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is really helpful and I think we can refer to this as we explore
>>>>>> the use cases together.  Nice work!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Motto: "Do First, Think, Do it Again"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  From: Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br> To: "
>>>>>> public-dwbp-wg@w3.org" <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org> Date: 03/18/2014
>>>>>> 01:43 PM Subject: Data on the Web Life Cycle
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd like to share some of my thoughts about the process of publishing
>>>>>> and using data on the Web with you. I prepared some slides that describe
>>>>>> the "Data on the Web Life Cycle", which presents the main tasks and
>>>>>> activities performed during that process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also tried to exemplify some possible Data on the Web Best
>>>>>> Practices, according to the proposed tasks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As proposed by Yaso in our last meeting, I think that organizing the
>>>>>> process in tasks (or steps) may help the identification of possible best
>>>>>> practices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is just a preliminar version! If these ideas make sense to you,
>>>>>> then I can also create a wiki page to help the collaborative work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sending both ppt and pdf versions. Please feel free to add
>>>>>> comments or make suggestions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Bernadette
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Bernadette Farias Lóscio
>>>>>> Centro de Informática
>>>>>> Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> [attachment "Data on the Web Life Cycle.pdf" deleted by Steven
>>>>>> Adler/Somers/IBM] [attachment "Data on the Web Life Cycle.pptx" deleted by
>>>>>> Steven Adler/Somers/IBM]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Ig Ibert Bittencourt
>>>>> Professor Adjunto III - Universidade Federal de Alagoas (UFAL)
>>>>> Vice-Coordenador da Comissão Especial de Informática na Educação
>>>>> Líder do Centro de Excelência em Tecnologias Sociais
>>>>> Co-fundador da Startup MeuTutor Soluções Educacionais LTDA.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bernadette Farias Lóscio
>>>> Centro de Informática
>>>> Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Ig Ibert Bittencourt
>>> Professor Adjunto III - Universidade Federal de Alagoas (UFAL)
>>> Vice-Coordenador da Comissão Especial de Informática na Educação
>>> Líder do Centro de Excelência em Tecnologias Sociais
>>> Co-fundador da Startup MeuTutor Soluções Educacionais LTDA.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Leigh Dodds
>> Freelance Technologist
>> Open Data, Linked Data Geek
>> t: @ldodds
>> w: ldodds.com
>> e: leigh@ldodds.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Leigh Dodds
> Freelance Technologist
> Open Data, Linked Data Geek
> t: @ldodds
> w: ldodds.com
> e: leigh@ldodds.com
>



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