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Re: Data on the Web Life Cycle

From: Ig Ibert Bittencourt <ig.ibert@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 20:55:00 -0300
Message-ID: <CAKNDvRXFTyUWAW=kT3kycQr1ww+Se0nu-kzuO9MKyVRw+O-_fQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Laufer <laufer@globo.com>
Cc: Steven Adler <adler1@us.ibm.com>, Leigh Dodds <leigh@ldodds.com>, Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br>, public-dwbp-wg <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
+1 with regards licensing out of the scope.

+1 that Data on the Web can be both (Data and Open Data)




2014-03-24 18:44 GMT-03:00 Laufer <laufer@globo.com>:

> +1 Steve.
>
>
> Best,
> Laufer
>
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> 2014-03-24 12:45 GMT-03:00 Steven Adler <adler1@us.ibm.com>:
>
> Leigh,
>>
>> Good points. The ambiguity exists in the mention of the word "open" data
>> in the first bullet and its absence in the other two.  The tile mentions
>> "Data on the Web." Some sections refer to "data," some to "open data,"
>> others to "data on the web."
>>
>> I think we are all grappling with "what are we working on?". Is it Data,
>> Open Data, or Data on the Web?
>>
>> Do we all understand the differences?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steve
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *  From: *Leigh Dodds [leigh@ldodds.com]
>> *  Sent: *03/24/2014 03:13 PM GMT
>>
>> *  To: *Steven Adler
>> *  Cc: *Ig Ibert Bittencourt <ig.ibert@gmail.com>; Bernadette Farias
>> Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br>; public-dwbp-wg <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
>> *  Subject: *Re: Data on the Web Life Cycle
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We're talking about both. To be honest,  I don't think the charter is
>> that ambiguous, the stated mission is:
>>
>> * to develop the open data ecosystem, facilitating better communication
>> between developers and publishers;
>> * to provide guidance to publishers that will improve consistency in the
>> way data is managed, thus promoting the re-use of data;
>> * to foster trust in the data among developers, whatever technology they
>> choose to use, increasing the potential for genuine innovation.
>>
>> It also says that the group "...will be agnostic about the technologies
>> it considers important" but promote linked data and promote best practices
>> for formats such as CSV and JSON. Licensing and license terms are also
>> declared out of scope.
>>
>> Whilst there are reasons why data might not be published openly,
>> developers and publishers need to be clear on how individual datasets are
>> licensed in order to foster trust, etc.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> L.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Steven Adler <adler1@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Are we talking about open data or data on the web?  The charter is
>>> ambiguous on this point.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *  From: *Leigh Dodds [leigh@ldodds.com]
>>> *  Sent: *03/24/2014 02:31 PM GMT
>>> *  To: *Steven Adler
>>> *  Cc: *Ig Ibert Bittencourt <ig.ibert@gmail.com>; Bernadette Farias
>>> Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br>; public-dwbp-wg <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
>>>
>>> *  Subject: *Re: Data on the Web Life Cycle
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree that defining license terms and specific licences is out of
>>> scope, but I think that its a best practice to publish data with licensing
>>> information clearly defined, in both a human and machine-readable form.
>>> That can be captured and recommended without restricting to specific
>>> licences.
>>>
>>> I've done some work in this area already:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://theodi.org/guides/publishers-guide-to-the-open-data-rights-statement-vocabulary
>>> http://theodi.org/guides/odrs-reusers-guide
>>>
>>> Data published without licensing isn't really fit for reuse as otherwise
>>> you can't determine what is legally permitted.
>>>
>>> L.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Steven Adler <adler1@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From my humble point of view license terms are legal considerations and
>>>> out of scope for this WG. Even insisting on defining license terms without
>>>> specifying which licenses one may choose from is a policy decision and
>>>> beyond the remit of W3C.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> *  From: *Ig Ibert Bittencourt [ig.ibert@gmail.com]
>>>> *  Sent: *03/23/2014 02:40 PM ZW3
>>>> *  To: *Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br>
>>>> *  Cc: *Steven Adler; "public-dwbp-wg@w3.org" <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
>>>> *  Subject: *Re: Data on the Web Life Cycle
>>>>
>>>> Hi Bernadette,
>>>>
>>>> That`s great. I did not see that ....
>>>>
>>>> I agree with you that to announce new data set could defined as a BP.
>>>> However, I am not sure about the license. It is an option when you publish
>>>> your data on the web. On the other hand, if you want to consider the data
>>>> as "open data", them this is mandatory.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Ig
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014-03-20 11:14 GMT-03:00 Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br>:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ig,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your comments!
>>>>>
>>>>> The two activities that you suggested are presented as possible Best
>>>>> Practices (in the end of the slides). When I was describing the life cycle,
>>>>> I was in doubt if they should be classified as activities or BP. In the
>>>>> end, I made the choice for describing them as BP, once I consider that they
>>>>> are "something that should be done"  instead of "something that must be
>>>>> done". However, I think this is worth a deeper discussion :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards!
>>>>> Bernadette
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2014-03-18 20:31 GMT-03:00 Ig Ibert Bittencourt <ig.ibert@gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Bernadette,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Great work. I really like the spiral proposal for Data on the Web
>>>>>> Life Cycle. I believe this proposal complements the document about BP for
>>>>>> Publishing LD [1].
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to recommend to take into account two activities:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    1. To specify the license applied to the data and
>>>>>>    2. To announce the new data set.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think this Spiral life cycle can really guide us to see the big
>>>>>> picture of Best Practices from a publisher perspective.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/NOTE-ld-bp-20140109/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Ig
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2014-03-18 18:35 GMT-03:00 Steven Adler <adler1@us.ibm.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bernadette,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is really helpful and I think we can refer to this as we
>>>>>>> explore the use cases together.  Nice work!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Motto: "Do First, Think, Do it Again"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  From: Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br> To: "
>>>>>>> public-dwbp-wg@w3.org" <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org> Date: 03/18/2014
>>>>>>> 01:43 PM Subject: Data on the Web Life Cycle
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd like to share some of my thoughts about the process of
>>>>>>> publishing and using data on the Web with you. I prepared some slides that
>>>>>>> describe the "Data on the Web Life Cycle", which presents the main tasks
>>>>>>> and activities performed during that process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also tried to exemplify some possible Data on the Web Best
>>>>>>> Practices, according to the proposed tasks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As proposed by Yaso in our last meeting, I think that organizing the
>>>>>>> process in tasks (or steps) may help the identification of possible best
>>>>>>> practices.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is just a preliminar version! If these ideas make sense to you,
>>>>>>> then I can also create a wiki page to help the collaborative work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sending both ppt and pdf versions. Please feel free to add
>>>>>>> comments or make suggestions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Bernadette
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Bernadette Farias Lóscio
>>>>>>> Centro de Informática
>>>>>>> Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> [attachment "Data on the Web Life Cycle.pdf" deleted by Steven
>>>>>>> Adler/Somers/IBM] [attachment "Data on the Web Life Cycle.pptx" deleted by
>>>>>>> Steven Adler/Somers/IBM]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ig Ibert Bittencourt
>>>>>> Professor Adjunto III - Universidade Federal de Alagoas (UFAL)
>>>>>> Vice-Coordenador da Comissão Especial de Informática na Educação
>>>>>> Líder do Centro de Excelência em Tecnologias Sociais
>>>>>> Co-fundador da Startup MeuTutor Soluções Educacionais LTDA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Bernadette Farias Lóscio
>>>>> Centro de Informática
>>>>> Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Ig Ibert Bittencourt
>>>> Professor Adjunto III - Universidade Federal de Alagoas (UFAL)
>>>> Vice-Coordenador da Comissão Especial de Informática na Educação
>>>> Líder do Centro de Excelência em Tecnologias Sociais
>>>> Co-fundador da Startup MeuTutor Soluções Educacionais LTDA.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Leigh Dodds
>>> Freelance Technologist
>>> Open Data, Linked Data Geek
>>> t: @ldodds
>>> w: ldodds.com
>>> e: leigh@ldodds.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Leigh Dodds
>> Freelance Technologist
>> Open Data, Linked Data Geek
>> t: @ldodds
>> w: ldodds.com
>> e: leigh@ldodds.com
>>
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Ig Ibert Bittencourt
Professor Adjunto III - Universidade Federal de Alagoas (UFAL)
Vice-Coordenador da Comissão Especial de Informática na Educação
Líder do Centro de Excelência em Tecnologias Sociais
Co-fundador da Startup MeuTutor Soluções Educacionais LTDA.
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