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From: <Frederick.Hirsch@nokia.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 06:36:16 +0200
To: <robin@robineko.com>
CC: <Frederick.Hirsch@nokia.com>, <public-device-apis@w3.org>
Message-ID: <2EFEBDA5-C6A8-498A-B653-C1B53CBF297F@nokia.com>
Do we also want to publish CfC for Privacy Rulesets? This might make sense to get feedback, especially during privacy workshop...

Was this discussed on the call yesterday?

regards, Frederick

Frederick Hirsch
Nokia



On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:58 PM, ext Robin Berjon wrote:

> Thanks Laura for taking notes! Here are the minutes, they can be found at:
>
>  http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html
>
> and follow in text:
>
>
>   [1]W3C
>
>      [1] http://www.w3.org/
>
>                               - DRAFT -
>
>          Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference
>
> 09 Jun 2010
>
>   [2]Agenda
>
>      [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Jun/0069.html
>
>   See also: [3]IRC log
>
>      [3] http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-irc
>
> Attendees
>
>   Present
>          +1.972.373.aaaa, Suresh, alissa, +1.650.335.aacc, Dom,
>          +1.301.581.aadd, +04871719aaee, jsalsman, jmorris, darobin,
>          +1.202.637.aaff, enewland, wojtekM, +04610801aagg, Claes,
>          +0777541aahh, +1.425.214.aaii, LauraA, David_Rogers,
>          bryan_sullivan, +03491337aajj, maoteo, Thomas,
>          +035128935aakk, richt, Alissa_Cooper, John_Morris,
>          James_Salsman, Robin_Berjon, Dominique_Hazael-Massieux,
>          Wojciech_maslowski, Claes_Nilsson, Richard_Tibbett,
>          Suresh_Chitturi, Maria_Oteo, Daniel_Coloma
>
>   Regrets
>          Frederick_Hirsh
>
>   Chair
>          Robin_Berjon
>
>   Scribe
>          Laura
>
> Contents
>
>     * [4]Topics
>         1. [5]announcements
>         2. [6]minutes' approval
>         3. [7]policy
>         4. [8]Privacy
>         5. [9]APIs, SysInfo
>         6. [10]Contacts
>     * [11]Summary of Action Items
>     _________________________________________________________
>
>   <trackbot> Date: 09 June 2010
>
>   <jsalsman> +1.650.335... is jsalsman
>
>   <darobin> Scribe: Laura
>
>   <darobin> Scribenick: LauraA
>
> announcements
>
>   <darobin> [12]registration
>
>     [12] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/london2010/
>
>   <dom> ack
>
>   <dom> [13]http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/LondonF2F2010
>
>     [13] http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/LondonF2F2010
>
>   darobin: reminder to register for the July F2F in London
>
>   dom: added list of hotels into the wiki page
>
>   <darobin> [14]last week's minutes
>
>     [14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Jun/0031.html
>
> minutes' approval
>
>   darobin: minutes approved
>
> policy
>
>   darobin: proposal to public Policy Framework doc
>   ... request publication on the 24th
>   ... any opinions about 1st public working draft of policy framework?
>
>   <darobin> LauraA: sent an email with last changes right before call
>
>   <darobin> ... suggest people look at it
>
>   <dom> [15]Editors draft of Policy Framework document
>
>     [15] http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/policy/Framework.html
>
>   <darobin> .... it will change a bit, but minor changes -- overall
>   well defined
>
>   <darobin> ... I think it's okay
>
>   RESOLUTION: CfC for Framework OK
>
>   darobin: objection to start call for consensus for framework doc?
>
>   <darobin> ACTION: Robin to issue CfC for Framework [recorded in
>   [16]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action01]
>
>   <trackbot> Created ACTION-184 - Issue CfC for Framework [on Robin
>   Berjon - due 2010-06-16].
>
>   darobin: no objections
>   ... XACML profile ready for 1 public WD?
>
>   Suresh: any IPR analysis has been done?
>
>   darobin: no idea, frederick might know
>
>   Suresh: maybe someone from the staff could do this analysis?
>
>   drogersuk: you can go to the OASIS website for information
>
>   <dom> [17]XACML TC
>
>     [17] http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=xacml
>
>   darobin: frederick involved in OASIS, he might be the right person
>   to ask
>
>   <darobin> ACTION: frederick to investigate IP status for XACML
>   [recorded in
>   [18]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action02]
>
>   <trackbot> Created ACTION-185 - Investigate IP status for XACML [on
>   Frederick Hirsch - due 2010-06-16].
>
>   <dom> [19]This TC operates under the RF on Limited Terms Mode of the
>   OASIS IPR Policy
>
>     [19] http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/xacml/ipr.php
>
>   darobin: do we want to block on this?
>
>   <dom> (it's normative)
>
>   Suresh: need to check if references to XACML are normative of
>   informative
>
>   darobin: agree, that can be an issue
>
>   <scribe> ... pending resolution for the XACML profile doc
>
>   RESOLUTION: issue CfC for XACML, noting that there are some
>   potential IP issues to investigate
>
>   <Suresh> Would prefer to resolve it sooner than later
>
>   <darobin> ACTION: Robin to issue CfC for XACML, noting that there
>   are some potential IP issues to investigate [recorded in
>   [20]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action03]
>
>   <trackbot> Created ACTION-186 - Issue CfC for XACML, noting that
>   there are some potential IP issues to investigate [on Robin Berjon -
>   due 2010-06-16].
>
>   darobin: third doc Examples document
>   ... it is not very normative, should we make it REC track?
>
>   <dom> [21]XACML Profile draft
>
>     [21] http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/policy/Profile.html
>
>   <dom> [22]DAP WG home page
>
>     [22] http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/Overview.html
>
>   dom: suggests making it a non-normative recommendation
>
>   <dom> [23]Policy Examples
>
>     [23] http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/policy/Examples.html
>
>   [24]http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/policy/Examples.html
>
>     [24] http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/policy/Examples.html
>
>   RESOLUTION: issue CfC for Examples, rectrack/non-normative
>
>   darobin: are we Ok with the CfC for the examples doc, but
>   non-normative?
>
>   <darobin> ACTION: Robin to issue CfC for Examples,
>   rectrack/non-normative [recorded in
>   [25]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action04]
>
>   <trackbot> Created ACTION-187 - Issue CfC for Examples,
>   rectrack/non-normative [on Robin Berjon - due 2010-06-16].
>
>   <darobin> [26]Frederick on policy reqs reorg
>
>     [26] http://www.w3.org/mid/E37E3443-AF7B-4135-9C2D-A11FFE2A2480@nokia.com
>
>   <dom> [27]Proposed rework of policy requirements
>
>     [27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Jun/att-0065/Proposal.html
>
>   darobin: e-mail from Frederick about policy reqs, suggesting
>   reorganisation
>   ... any opinions on this proposal? anyone read it?
>
>   <jsalsman> I read it. I'm confused about what a prompt is
>
>   dom: suggest moving it to CVS
>
>   <dom> ISSUE-28?
>
>   <trackbot> ISSUE-28 -- Requirement for NO security prompting --
>   pending review
>
>   <trackbot> [28]http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/28
>
>     [28] http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/28
>
>   jsalsman: conflicting position papers in the action item number 28,
>   issue 28
>   ... 3 different position docs: 2 in agreement, 1 against
>
>   <jsalsman> [29]http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/28
>
>     [29] http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/28
>
>   darobin: not sure about the impact on this doc
>
>   jsalsman: ambiguity about what it is a prompt
>   ... saying we want to eliminate prompts may not be the right thing
>   (both modal and non-modal, they are both promtps)
>
>   darobin: the idea is to avoid prompts as far as possible
>
>   bryan_sullivan: intent to minimise prompt
>   ... policy can be defined to provide choice in the level of
>   prompting
>   ... goal is not to eliminate prompts entirely, that's not possible
>
>   alissa: we might need to clarify what we understand under prompt,
>   modal prompt etc.
>
>   <drogersuk> +1
>
>   alissa: having a definition might be helpful
>
>   drogersuk: since we've separated the docs, we need to address that
>   so that one can not take the APIs separately without taking into
>   account the policy bit
>
>   darobin: who wrote the piece about convinience or not of prompt?
>
>   drogersuk: probably bondi
>
>   darobin: need a person to assign this action to
>
>   <darobin> ACTION: Laura to propose clarification language around
>   prompting, involving Paddy and James as needed [recorded in
>   [30]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action05]
>
>   <trackbot> Created ACTION-188 - Propose clarification language
>   around prompting, involving Paddy and James as needed [on Laura
>   Arribas - due 2010-06-16].
>
>   darobin: back to previous topic, should we give an action to
>   frederick to put reqs doc into CVS?
>
>   dom: I'll do it
>
>   darobin: CfC for reqs doc?
>
>   RESOLUTION: Issue a CfC for Policy Reqs
>   ... no objections
>
>   <darobin> ACTION: Robin to Issue a CfC for Policy Reqs [recorded in
>   [31]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action06]
>
>   <trackbot> Created ACTION-189 - Issue a CfC for Policy Reqs [on
>   Robin Berjon - due 2010-06-16].
>
>   darobin: anything else about policy?
>   ... nothing.
>
> Privacy
>
>   darobin: more docs to publish
>   ... reqs doc and rule set doc
>
>   <dom> +1 on waiting for ruleset
>
>   alissa: for the W3C privacy doc submitted rule set doc as position
>   paper
>   ... might be worth waiting after the W3C privacy workshop
>
>   darobin: anyone objects to waiting?
>   ... agreed not to publish the privacy ruleset yet
>
>   Suresh: about the ruleset doc, is it API independent like policy or
>   linked to APIs?
>
>   alissa: not handled yet how APIs deal with rulesets
>
>   <dom> ACTION-106?
>
>   <trackbot> ACTION-106 -- Robin Berjon to address how licenses could
>   be handled by the API's -- due 2010-03-23 -- OPEN
>
>   <trackbot> [32]http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/106
>
>     [32] http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/106
>
>   alissa: there are ideas but nothing documented yet
>
>   <dom> Alissa: thus far we haven't settled on how rulesets will
>   intersect with the existing APIs
>
>   RESOLUTION: Issue a CfC for the Privacy Requirements
>
>   <darobin> ACTION: Robin to Issue a CfC for the Privacy Requirements
>   [recorded in
>   [33]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action07]
>
>   <trackbot> Created ACTION-190 - Issue a CfC for the Privacy
>   Requirements [on Robin Berjon - due 2010-06-16].
>
> APIs, SysInfo
>
>   <darobin> Robin: split core and extended?
>
>   <darobin> alissa: prefer to split
>
>   <jmorris> +1
>
>   <darobin> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: split operatorName, apn, mcc, mnc to
>   a separate, extended specification
>
>   <dom> a+
>
>   <jmorris> And SSID and Mac address are dropped, right?
>
>   <jsalsman> this is for [34]http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/system-info/
>   right?
>
>     [34] http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/system-info/
>
>   <darobin> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: drop operatorName, apn, mcc, mnc from
>   SysInfo, revisit an Extended spec later
>
>   <Suresh> +1
>
>   RESOLUTION: drop operatorName, apn, mcc, mnc from SysInfo, revisit
>   an Extended spec later
>
>   <dom> ACTION-183?
>
>   <trackbot> ACTION-183 -- Dzung Tran to drop connections[] and
>   activeConnection, move to activeConnections[] and define clearly
>   what "active" means -- due 2010-06-09 -- OPEN
>
>   <trackbot> [35]http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/183
>
>     [35] http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/183
>
>   <Zakim> dom, you wanted to note codecs
>
>   darobin: any objections to CfC?
>
>   <jsalsman>
>   [36]http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/system-info/#audio-and-video-codecs
>
>     [36] http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/system-info/#audio-and-video-codecs
>
>   <dom> ISSUE-85 was raised for the capture API
>
>   jsalsman: see some issues with this section, could be developed a
>   bit more
>
>   darobin: james, could you review SysInfo and share it in the list?
>
>   jsalsman: sure
>
>   <dom> ACTION: James to send pre-LC editorial comments on sysinfo
>   [recorded in
>   [37]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action08]
>
>   <trackbot> Created ACTION-191 - Send pre-LC editorial comments on
>   sysinfo [on James Salsman - due 2010-06-16].
>
>   <darobin> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: issue a CfC of SysInfo for LC after
>   ACTION-191 and subsequent edits, ACTION-183, and operatorName, apn,
>   mcc, mnc have been dropped
>
>   RESOLUTION: issue a CfC of SysInfo for LC after ACTION-191 and
>   subsequent edits, ACTION-183, and operatorName, apn, mcc, mnc have
>   been dropped
>
> Contacts
>
>   <dom> [38]Contacts API updates
>
>     [38] http://www.w3.org/mid/AANLkTikT_RBr08jWh_-CKAPs1pCqHU_hJ-KhDqbaVGln@mail.gmail.com
>
>   darobin: richard sent an e-mail, he made quite a few changes based
>   on feedback received before
>
>   <dom> +1 on heartbeat publication
>
>   darobin: anyone objects to hearbeat publication for this API?
>   ... no objections
>
>   <darobin> RESOLUTION: publish a heartbeat of Contacts
>
>   <darobin> ACTION: robin to request publication of Contacts [recorded
>   in [39]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action09]
>
>   <trackbot> Created ACTION-192 - Request publication of Contacts [on
>   Robin Berjon - due 2010-06-16].
>
>   <darobin> richt, you missed the discussion!
>
>   <darobin> richt, anything you want to say before we move on?
>
>   <richt> sorry I'm having serious issues with phone and wifi today
>   :-(
>
>   richt: sorry missed Contacts discussion
>
>   darobin: dom just asked about plans to move into LC
>   ... given current status of spec, and feedback received we could
>   move to LC during the July F2F
>
>   richt: I made some updates from the received feedback. there are a
>   few questions that still need answering
>
>   <Zakim> dom, you wanted to ask about LC goals
>
>   richt: i'll be creating a new document before next week's call
>   ... I would like to wait until the next version of the spec
>   ... still need more feedback
>   ... would like to produce a larger set of properties
>
>   <jmorris> +1 on waiting for feedback on larger set of properties
>
>   darobin: agree, if you have updates coming, it makes sense to wait
>
>   <dom> (this relates to ISSUE-71 I think)
>
>   darobin: objections on waiting for publication?
>   ... no objections in the call
>   ... other issues to be discussed in the mailing list
>
>   <darobin> RESOLUTION: overturn previous resolution to publish
>   contacts, wait for next update
>
>   darobin: end of the agenda
>   ... AOB?
>
>   thanks and good bye
>
>   <darobin> RRSAgent: make minutes
>
> Summary of Action Items
>
>   [NEW] ACTION: frederick to investigate IP status for XACML [recorded
>   in [40]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action02]
>   [NEW] ACTION: James to send pre-LC editorial comments on sysinfo
>   [recorded in
>   [41]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action08]
>   [NEW] ACTION: Laura to propose clarification language around
>   prompting, involving Paddy and James as needed [recorded in
>   [42]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action05]
>   [NEW] ACTION: Robin to Issue a CfC for Policy Reqs [recorded in
>   [43]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action06]
>   [NEW] ACTION: Robin to Issue a CfC for the Privacy Requirements
>   [recorded in
>   [44]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action07]
>   [NEW] ACTION: Robin to issue CfC for Examples,
>   rectrack/non-normative [recorded in
>   [45]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action04]
>   [NEW] ACTION: Robin to issue CfC for Framework [recorded in
>   [46]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action01]
>   [NEW] ACTION: Robin to issue CfC for XACML, noting that there are
>   some potential IP issues to investigate [recorded in
>   [47]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action03]
>   [NEW] ACTION: robin to request publication of Contacts [recorded in
>   [48]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action09]
>
>   [End of minutes]
>
>
> --
> Robin Berjon
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>  http://robineko.com/
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