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Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-cases-and-requirements

From: Ceolin, D. <d.ceolin@vu.nl>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 15:18:52 +0000
To: "Tandy, Jeremy" <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk>
CC: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>, Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com>, Jeni Tennison <jeni@jenitennison.com>, Eric Stephan <ericphb@gmail.com>, "W3C CSV on the Web Working Group" <public-csv-wg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <75074928-E1FB-47CA-8748-E3E3515679A2@vu.nl>
Ok! Thanks very much.

Davide

Il giorno 23/giu/2014, alle ore 17.17, Tandy, Jeremy ha scritto:

> Super job. 
> 
> Davide, Eric - let's assume that nil response by Wednesday is a positive statement that there are no more changes required for this WD release.
> 
> Jeremy
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
>> Sent: 23 June 2014 14:23
>> To: Tandy, Jeremy
>> Cc: Dan Brickley; Jeni Tennison; Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; W3C CSV
>> on the Web Working Group
>> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-cases-and-
>> requirements
>> 
>> 
>> On 23 Jun 2014, at 14:54 , Tandy, Jeremy
>> <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> Ivan - many thanks for your weekend working!
>> 
>> Sure!
>> 
>>> 
>>> I have republished the [publishing snapshot][1] in gh-pages branch,
>> along with its [diff to previous version][2], including all your
>> changes.
>>> 
>>> At this point, I have _NOT_ yet amended the [ED draft][3] to reflect
>> a change in the previous version (e.g. lines 14-16):
>>> 
>>> ---
>>>   previousPublishDate: "2014-03-27",
>>>   previousMaturity: "FPWD",
>>>   previousURI: "http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-csvw-ucr-20140327/",
>>> ---
>>> 
>>> I suggest that you make these changes only once it has been passed to
>> the W3C webmaster in case we need to make some more (unforeseen)
>> changes between now and then.
>>> 
>> 
>> Absolutely. That is exactly the point of using those funny URI-s to
>> generate the Overview.html.
>> 
>> I wait for Eric's and Davide's response whether it is a go, and I will
>> then copy all this to the W3C site.
>> 
>> Ivan
>> 
>> 
>>> Many thanks, Jeremy
>>> 
>>> [1]:
>>> http://w3c.github.io/csvw/publishing-snapshots/WD-ucr-2014-07-
>> 01/Overv
>>> iew.html
>>> [2]:
>>> http://w3c.github.io/csvw/publishing-snapshots/WD-ucr-2014-07-
>> 01/diff-
>>> 20140327.html
>>> [3]: http://w3c.github.io/csvw/use-cases-and-requirements/index.html
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
>>>> Sent: 22 June 2014 13:26
>>>> To: Tandy, Jeremy
>>>> Cc: Dan Brickley; Jeni Tennison; Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; W3C
>> CSV
>>>> on the Web Working Group
>>>> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-cases-
>> and-
>>>> requirements
>>>> 
>>>> Jeremy,
>>>> 
>>>> - Have checked out the repo, made some changes on the index file to
>>>> respond to your various questions on the references (I have also
>>>> added the necessary references). I think that, from that point of
>>>> view, it is ready to go. I pushed this into the pwd-ucr branch.
>>>> - I have also looked at the checker's response, namely the 'manual'
>>>> checks, and I did not find any problems
>>>> 
>>>> I would think that you can go ahead with the latest version, merge
>>>> and generate the final Overview.html file in the gq-pages branch.
>>>> Once this is done, I can then copy them to the final place. I have
>>>> sent a publication request to the webmaster.
>>>> 
>>>> Anything else you need me for before I take over to put this up onto
>>>> the W3C?
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> 
>>>> Ivan
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 20 Jun 2014, at 17:11 , Tandy, Jeremy
>>>> <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Ivan - thanks for initial comment. We'll merge pwd-ucr into gh-
>> pages
>>>> once we're happy. Until then, I fix `index.html` in gh-pages branch
>>>> and then generate a new `Overview.html` (from respec) which I commit
>>>> into pwd-ucr.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jeremy
>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
>>>>>> Sent: 20 June 2014 15:40
>>>>>> To: Tandy, Jeremy
>>>>>> Cc: Dan Brickley; Jeni Tennison; Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; W3C
>>>> CSV
>>>>>> on the Web Working Group
>>>>>> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-cases-
>>>> and-
>>>>>> requirements
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 20 Jun 2014, at 13:51 , Tandy, Jeremy
>>>>>> <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Dan & Ivan -
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Pending resolution of the [request sent to Ivan this morning][1]
>> I
>>>>>> have managed to run through the entire publishing process to
>>>> generate
>>>>>> the [`Overview`][2] and [`diff`][3] html pages via RawGit.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regarding the [PubRules][4] validation (see [results][5])...
>>>>>>> - I fixed some nested anchor elements caused by using `<a>`
>> within
>>>> a
>>>>>> figure caption that then got wrapped in another `<a>` by respec,
>>>>>> and found a pair of unescaped `<` and `>` characters ... nothing
>> much.
>>>>>>> - HTML validation still complains (with a warning) that the <bdi>
>>>>>>> element is not generally supported
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That is warning. We should get that through with the webmaster:-)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> - I get an error on the boiler plate regarding the Patent Policy
>>>> ...
>>>>>>> even though this is generated by respect :-(
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hm. I will have to look at that next week, I vaguely remember some
>>>>>> issues with the checker
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> - I get a number of HTTP 404 errors on URLs in the document; but
>>>>>> these
>>>>>>> are all from with <pre> elements (e.g. literal examples) and we
>>>>>> agreed
>>>>>>> last time that these didn't count
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes. We will have to document that to the webmaster
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> - I get an HTTP 403 error on
>>>>>> http://www.nhs.uk/aboutnhschoices/contactus/pages/freedom-of-
>>>>>> information.aspx - but this resolves fine for me in my browser!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, there are sites that put in obstacles for robots. As long as
>>>>>> this is documented that it works...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Once we're happy that the UCR document is in its final state,
>> I'll
>>>>>> run though this process again ... it didn't take very long.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But we should merge it to the main branch, and not keep it in the
>>>>>> separate one. The whole purpose is that whatever changes you do
>>>>>> should be there once and for all and you would not have to repeat
>>>>>> them next
>>>>>> time:-)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Also, I'd appreciate an experienced assessment on the things that
>>>>>> PubRules says I need to manually verify. Most of them seem OK -
>> but
>>>>>> what do I know!?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I will do that next week.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ivan
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Best Regards, Jeremy
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> PS. I've added a few amendments to the [publishing process][6] to
>>>>>> explain how to use the RawGit service.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks! We and others will, hopefully profit from it...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I can contact the webmaster with an agreement for the 1st of July,
>>>>>> but I have to know whether the UCR is the only document to be
>>>>>> published on that day!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ivan
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> [1]:
>>>>>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-csv-
>> wg/2014Jun/0131.htm
>>>>>>> l
>>>>>>> [2]:
>>>>>>> https://rawgit.com/w3c/csvw/pwd-ucr/publishing-snapshots/WD-ucr-
>>>> 2014
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>> 0
>>>>>>> 7-01/Overview.html
>>>>>>> [3]:
>>>>>>> https://rawgit.com/w3c/csvw/pwd-ucr/publishing-snapshots/WD-ucr-
>>>> 2014
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>> 0
>>>>>>> 7-01/diff-20140327.html
>>>>>>> [4]: http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules
>>>>>>> [5]:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> http://services.w3.org/xslt?xmlfile=http%3A%2F%2Fservices.w3.org%2Fti
>>>>>> d
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> y%2Ftidy%3FdocAddr%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Frawgit.com%252Fw3c%252Fcsvw%
>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>> 52Fpwd-ucr%252Fpublishing-snapshots%252FWD-ucr-2014-07-
>>>>>> 01%252FOverview
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> .html&xslfile=http%3A%2F%2Fservices.w3.org%2Fxslt%3Fxmlfile%3Dhttp%3A
>>>>>> %
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2005%2F07%2Fpubrules%253Fuimode%253Dchecker_full%25
>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>> 6year%253D2014%2526docstatus%253Dord-wd-
>>>>>> tr%2526rectrack%253Dyes%2526pr
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> evrec%253Dnone%2526patpol%253Dw3c%2526normative%253Dyes%2526uri%253Dh
>>>>>> t
>>>>>>> 
>> tps%25253A%25252F%25252Frawgit.com%25252Fw3c%25252Fcsvw%25252Fpwd-
>>>>>> ucr%
>>>>>>> 25252Fpublishing-snapshots%25252FWD-ucr-2014-07-
>>>>>> 01%25252FOverview.html
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> %2526filterValues%253D%2526nscheckmanual%253D%2526display%253Dall%252
>>>>>> 6
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> recursive%253Doff%2526recurse_auth%253Don%26xslfile%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fww
>>>>>> w
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> .w3.org%2F2005%2F09%2Fchecker%2Fframe.xsl%26display%3Dall%26recurse_a
>>>>>> u
>>>>>>> 
>> th%3Don&uimode=checker_full&filterValues=&year=2014&docstatus=ord-
>>>> wd
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>> t
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> r&rectrack=yes&prevrec=none&patpol=w3c&normative=yes&doc_uri=https%3A
>>>>>> %
>>>>>>> 2F%2Frawgit.com%2Fw3c%2Fcsvw%2Fpwd-ucr%2Fpublishing-
>> snapshots%2FWD
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>> ucr
>>>>>>> -2014-07-
>>>>>> 01%2FOverview.html&recursive=off&nscheckmanual=&display=all&r
>>>>>>> ecurse_auth=on
>>>>>>> [6]: https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-
>>>> pages/publishing_process.md
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Dan Brickley [mailto:danbri@google.com]
>>>>>>>> Sent: 19 June 2014 19:58
>>>>>>>> To: Tandy, Jeremy
>>>>>>>> Cc: Ivan Herman; Jeni Tennison; Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; W3C
>>>>>>>> CSV on the Web Working Group
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-
>> cases-
>>>>>> and-
>>>>>>>> requirements
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 19 June 2014 16:02, Tandy, Jeremy
>>>>>>>> <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Ivan -
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I've created the new ucr WD on a new branch: pwd-ucr ...
>> because
>>>> I
>>>>>>>> didn't want to confuse things by publishing early wrt the W3C
>>>>>>>> publishing regime.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I've got up to step 4.vii of the [publishing process][1] but
>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>> I am not on gh-pages branch I can't push my new Overview.html to
>>>>>>>> a publically accessible web server in order to run the W3C pub
>>>>>>>> rules checker.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> There's a service at rawgit.com that seems useful, for short-
>> term
>>>>>> low
>>>>>>>> traffic use. I pasted
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-pages/use-
>>>>>>>> cases-and-requirements/index.html into their "development" form
>>>>>>>> and get:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://rawgit.com/w3c/csvw/gh-pages/use-cases-and-
>>>>>>>> requirements/index.html
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I tried that in pubrules checker
>>>> http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> got:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Using org.apache.xerces.parsers.SAXParser
>>>>>>>> Exception net.sf.saxon.trans.XPathException:
>>>>>>>> org.xml.sax.SAXParseException; systemId:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> http://services.w3.org/tidy/tidy?docAddr=https%3A%2F%2Frawgit.com%2Fw
>>>>>>>> 3c %2Fcsvw%2Fgh-pages%2Fuse-cases-and-requirements%2Findex.html;
>>>>>>>> lineNumber: 11; columnNumber: 149; An invalid XML character
>>>>>> (Unicode:
>>>>>>>> 0x1b) was found in the element content of the document.
>>>>>>>> org.xml.sax.SAXParseException; systemId:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> http://services.w3.org/tidy/tidy?docAddr=https%3A%2F%2Frawgit.com%2Fw
>>>>>>>> 3c %2Fcsvw%2Fgh-pages%2Fuse-cases-and-requirements%2Findex.html;
>>>>>>>> lineNumber: 11; columnNumber: 149; An invalid XML character
>>>>>> (Unicode:
>>>>>>>> 0x1b) was found in the element content of the document.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Would you just recommend that I merge in the changes with gh-
>>>> pages
>>>>>>>> branch and get on with the process?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Many thanks, Jeremy
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> [1]: https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-
>>>>>> pages/publishing_process.md
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 19 June 2014 11:37
>>>>>>>>>> To: Tandy, Jeremy; Jeni Tennison
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; W3C CSV on the Web Working
>>>>>>>>>> Group; Dan Brickley
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-
>>>> cases-
>>>>>>>> and-
>>>>>>>>>> requirements
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 19 Jun 2014, at 10:23 , Tandy, Jeremy
>>>>>>>>>> <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Ivan: """Tuesday 1st of July is our best option"""
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm happy with this for next PWD release.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Would this be also a date for publishing the two other (model,
>>>>>>>>>> metadata) documents, or do we want to do an independent
>>>>>> publishing?
>>>>>>>>>> (Both are fine with me, but we should decide).
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy, can you try to go through the publishing process, as
>>>>>>>>>> described in the archive? I hope that would work...
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Ivan
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 18 June 2014 17:13
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; Tandy, Jeremy
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: W3C CSV on the Web Working Group; Dan Brickley
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-
>>>>>> cases-
>>>>>>>>>> and-
>>>>>>>>>>>> requirements
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18 Jun 2014, at 15:33 , Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> <skip/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next steps: UCR editors, can you wrap up any outstanding
>>>>>> tweaks,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> liaise with Ivan to get a publication date scheduled?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (please copy
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> list on these details)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Publishing happens on tuesdays and thursdays. It always
>>>> require
>>>>>>>>>>>> some preparation and also an agreement with the webmaster
>> (to
>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>> this into his schedule). Note also what I wrote down after
>>>>>>>>>>>> the previous
>>>>>>>>>> round:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-
>>>> pages/publishing_process.md
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> which helps in speeding things up.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as my schedule is concerned, I am free next week
>>>> Tuesday
>>>>>>>>>>>> (24th), but I am not really available for the rest of this
>>>> week
>>>>>>>> (I
>>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>>>> currently in Oslo for a conference, traveling back on
>>>>>>>>>>>> Friday),
>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>> this may be tight. I am not available on the 26th. I am
>>>>>> available
>>>>>>>>>>>> on the first two weeks of July both on Tuesdays and
>> Thursdays.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> My feeling is that the Tuesday 1st of July is our best
>>>>>>>>>>>> option,
>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>> least from my side (ie, if you can finalize the documents by
>>>>>>>> then)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Would that work?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Would we also want to schedule the two other documents for
>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> date (model and metadata)? Note that we need an explicit WG
>>>>>>>>>>>> resolution
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> a request for an official 'short name' for the latter,
>>>>>>>>>>>> because that is a first public draft. (In case you wonder:
>>>>>>>>>>>> all this
>>>>>> admin
>>>>>>>>>>>> around the first draft is mainly necessary for the
>> management
>>>>>>>>>>>> of Patent
>>>>>>>>>> Policies.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The world would be simpler if we did not have to deal with
>>>>>>>>>>>> that...)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ivan
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> chairs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ivan Herman, W3C
>>>>>>>>>>>> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
>>>>>>>>>>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>>>>>>>>>>>> mobile: +31-641044153
>>>>>>>>>>>> GPG: 0x343F1A3D
>>>>>>>>>>>> WebID: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf#me
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>>>>> Ivan Herman, W3C
>>>>>>>>>> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
>>>>>>>>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>>>>>>>>>> mobile: +31-641044153
>>>>>>>>>> GPG: 0x343F1A3D
>>>>>>>>>> WebID: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf#me
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----
>>>>>> Ivan Herman, W3C
>>>>>> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
>>>>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>>>>>> mobile: +31-641044153
>>>>>> GPG: 0x343F1A3D
>>>>>> WebID: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf#me
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----
>>>> Ivan Herman, W3C
>>>> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
>>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>>>> mobile: +31-641044153
>>>> GPG: 0x343F1A3D
>>>> WebID: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf#me
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----
>> Ivan Herman, W3C
>> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>> mobile: +31-641044153
>> GPG: 0x343F1A3D
>> WebID: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf#me
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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