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RE: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-cases-and-requirements

From: Tandy, Jeremy <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 15:17:32 +0000
To: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
CC: Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com>, Jeni Tennison <jeni@jenitennison.com>, Eric Stephan <ericphb@gmail.com>, Davide Ceolin <d.ceolin@vu.nl>, "W3C CSV on the Web Working Group" <public-csv-wg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <2624871D9A05174691BD59F8EFD68AE20884B498@EXXCMPD1DAG3.cmpd1.metoffice.gov.uk>
Super job. 

Davide, Eric - let's assume that nil response by Wednesday is a positive statement that there are no more changes required for this WD release.

Jeremy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
> Sent: 23 June 2014 14:23
> To: Tandy, Jeremy
> Cc: Dan Brickley; Jeni Tennison; Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; W3C CSV
> on the Web Working Group
> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-cases-and-
> requirements
> 
> 
> On 23 Jun 2014, at 14:54 , Tandy, Jeremy
> <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk> wrote:
> 
> > Ivan - many thanks for your weekend working!
> 
> Sure!
> 
> >
> > I have republished the [publishing snapshot][1] in gh-pages branch,
> along with its [diff to previous version][2], including all your
> changes.
> >
> > At this point, I have _NOT_ yet amended the [ED draft][3] to reflect
> a change in the previous version (e.g. lines 14-16):
> >
> > ---
> >    previousPublishDate: "2014-03-27",
> >    previousMaturity: "FPWD",
> >    previousURI: "http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-csvw-ucr-20140327/",
> > ---
> >
> > I suggest that you make these changes only once it has been passed to
> the W3C webmaster in case we need to make some more (unforeseen)
> changes between now and then.
> >
> 
> Absolutely. That is exactly the point of using those funny URI-s to
> generate the Overview.html.
> 
> I wait for Eric's and Davide's response whether it is a go, and I will
> then copy all this to the W3C site.
> 
> Ivan
> 
> 
> > Many thanks, Jeremy
> >
> > [1]:
> > http://w3c.github.io/csvw/publishing-snapshots/WD-ucr-2014-07-
> 01/Overv
> > iew.html
> > [2]:
> > http://w3c.github.io/csvw/publishing-snapshots/WD-ucr-2014-07-
> 01/diff-
> > 20140327.html
> > [3]: http://w3c.github.io/csvw/use-cases-and-requirements/index.html
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
> >> Sent: 22 June 2014 13:26
> >> To: Tandy, Jeremy
> >> Cc: Dan Brickley; Jeni Tennison; Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; W3C
> CSV
> >> on the Web Working Group
> >> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-cases-
> and-
> >> requirements
> >>
> >> Jeremy,
> >>
> >> - Have checked out the repo, made some changes on the index file to
> >> respond to your various questions on the references (I have also
> >> added the necessary references). I think that, from that point of
> >> view, it is ready to go. I pushed this into the pwd-ucr branch.
> >> - I have also looked at the checker's response, namely the 'manual'
> >> checks, and I did not find any problems
> >>
> >> I would think that you can go ahead with the latest version, merge
> >> and generate the final Overview.html file in the gq-pages branch.
> >> Once this is done, I can then copy them to the final place. I have
> >> sent a publication request to the webmaster.
> >>
> >> Anything else you need me for before I take over to put this up onto
> >> the W3C?
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Ivan
> >>
> >>
> >> On 20 Jun 2014, at 17:11 , Tandy, Jeremy
> >> <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ivan - thanks for initial comment. We'll merge pwd-ucr into gh-
> pages
> >> once we're happy. Until then, I fix `index.html` in gh-pages branch
> >> and then generate a new `Overview.html` (from respec) which I commit
> >> into pwd-ucr.
> >>>
> >>> Jeremy
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
> >>>> Sent: 20 June 2014 15:40
> >>>> To: Tandy, Jeremy
> >>>> Cc: Dan Brickley; Jeni Tennison; Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; W3C
> >> CSV
> >>>> on the Web Working Group
> >>>> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-cases-
> >> and-
> >>>> requirements
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 20 Jun 2014, at 13:51 , Tandy, Jeremy
> >>>> <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Dan & Ivan -
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for your help.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Pending resolution of the [request sent to Ivan this morning][1]
> I
> >>>> have managed to run through the entire publishing process to
> >> generate
> >>>> the [`Overview`][2] and [`diff`][3] html pages via RawGit.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regarding the [PubRules][4] validation (see [results][5])...
> >>>>> - I fixed some nested anchor elements caused by using `<a>`
> within
> >> a
> >>>> figure caption that then got wrapped in another `<a>` by respec,
> >>>> and found a pair of unescaped `<` and `>` characters ... nothing
> much.
> >>>>> - HTML validation still complains (with a warning) that the <bdi>
> >>>>> element is not generally supported
> >>>>
> >>>> That is warning. We should get that through with the webmaster:-)
> >>>>
> >>>>> - I get an error on the boiler plate regarding the Patent Policy
> >> ...
> >>>>> even though this is generated by respect :-(
> >>>>
> >>>> Hm. I will have to look at that next week, I vaguely remember some
> >>>> issues with the checker
> >>>>
> >>>>> - I get a number of HTTP 404 errors on URLs in the document; but
> >>>> these
> >>>>> are all from with <pre> elements (e.g. literal examples) and we
> >>>> agreed
> >>>>> last time that these didn't count
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes. We will have to document that to the webmaster
> >>>>
> >>>>> - I get an HTTP 403 error on
> >>>> http://www.nhs.uk/aboutnhschoices/contactus/pages/freedom-of-
> >>>> information.aspx - but this resolves fine for me in my browser!
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, there are sites that put in obstacles for robots. As long as
> >>>> this is documented that it works...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Once we're happy that the UCR document is in its final state,
> I'll
> >>>> run though this process again ... it didn't take very long.
> >>>>
> >>>> But we should merge it to the main branch, and not keep it in the
> >>>> separate one. The whole purpose is that whatever changes you do
> >>>> should be there once and for all and you would not have to repeat
> >>>> them next
> >>>> time:-)
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Also, I'd appreciate an experienced assessment on the things that
> >>>> PubRules says I need to manually verify. Most of them seem OK -
> but
> >>>> what do I know!?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I will do that next week.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ivan
> >>>>
> >>>>> Best Regards, Jeremy
> >>>>>
> >>>>> PS. I've added a few amendments to the [publishing process][6] to
> >>>> explain how to use the RawGit service.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks! We and others will, hopefully profit from it...
> >>>>
> >>>> I can contact the webmaster with an agreement for the 1st of July,
> >>>> but I have to know whether the UCR is the only document to be
> >>>> published on that day!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Ivan
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1]:
> >>>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-csv-
> wg/2014Jun/0131.htm
> >>>>> l
> >>>>> [2]:
> >>>>> https://rawgit.com/w3c/csvw/pwd-ucr/publishing-snapshots/WD-ucr-
> >> 2014
> >>>>> -
> >>>> 0
> >>>>> 7-01/Overview.html
> >>>>> [3]:
> >>>>> https://rawgit.com/w3c/csvw/pwd-ucr/publishing-snapshots/WD-ucr-
> >> 2014
> >>>>> -
> >>>> 0
> >>>>> 7-01/diff-20140327.html
> >>>>> [4]: http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules
> >>>>> [5]:
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> http://services.w3.org/xslt?xmlfile=http%3A%2F%2Fservices.w3.org%2Fti
> >>>> d
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> y%2Ftidy%3FdocAddr%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Frawgit.com%252Fw3c%252Fcsvw%
> >>>> 2
> >>>>> 52Fpwd-ucr%252Fpublishing-snapshots%252FWD-ucr-2014-07-
> >>>> 01%252FOverview
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> .html&xslfile=http%3A%2F%2Fservices.w3.org%2Fxslt%3Fxmlfile%3Dhttp%3A
> >>>> %
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> 2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2005%2F07%2Fpubrules%253Fuimode%253Dchecker_full%25
> >>>> 2
> >>>>> 6year%253D2014%2526docstatus%253Dord-wd-
> >>>> tr%2526rectrack%253Dyes%2526pr
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> evrec%253Dnone%2526patpol%253Dw3c%2526normative%253Dyes%2526uri%253Dh
> >>>> t
> >>>>>
> tps%25253A%25252F%25252Frawgit.com%25252Fw3c%25252Fcsvw%25252Fpwd-
> >>>> ucr%
> >>>>> 25252Fpublishing-snapshots%25252FWD-ucr-2014-07-
> >>>> 01%25252FOverview.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> %2526filterValues%253D%2526nscheckmanual%253D%2526display%253Dall%252
> >>>> 6
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> recursive%253Doff%2526recurse_auth%253Don%26xslfile%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fww
> >>>> w
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> .w3.org%2F2005%2F09%2Fchecker%2Fframe.xsl%26display%3Dall%26recurse_a
> >>>> u
> >>>>>
> th%3Don&uimode=checker_full&filterValues=&year=2014&docstatus=ord-
> >> wd
> >>>>> -
> >>>> t
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> r&rectrack=yes&prevrec=none&patpol=w3c&normative=yes&doc_uri=https%3A
> >>>> %
> >>>>> 2F%2Frawgit.com%2Fw3c%2Fcsvw%2Fpwd-ucr%2Fpublishing-
> snapshots%2FWD
> >>>>> -
> >>>> ucr
> >>>>> -2014-07-
> >>>> 01%2FOverview.html&recursive=off&nscheckmanual=&display=all&r
> >>>>> ecurse_auth=on
> >>>>> [6]: https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-
> >> pages/publishing_process.md
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Dan Brickley [mailto:danbri@google.com]
> >>>>>> Sent: 19 June 2014 19:58
> >>>>>> To: Tandy, Jeremy
> >>>>>> Cc: Ivan Herman; Jeni Tennison; Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; W3C
> >>>>>> CSV on the Web Working Group
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-
> cases-
> >>>> and-
> >>>>>> requirements
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 19 June 2014 16:02, Tandy, Jeremy
> >>>>>> <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi Ivan -
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I've created the new ucr WD on a new branch: pwd-ucr ...
> because
> >> I
> >>>>>> didn't want to confuse things by publishing early wrt the W3C
> >>>>>> publishing regime.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I've got up to step 4.vii of the [publishing process][1] but
> >>>> because
> >>>>>> I am not on gh-pages branch I can't push my new Overview.html to
> >>>>>> a publically accessible web server in order to run the W3C pub
> >>>>>> rules checker.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There's a service at rawgit.com that seems useful, for short-
> term
> >>>> low
> >>>>>> traffic use. I pasted
> >>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-pages/use-
> >>>>>> cases-and-requirements/index.html into their "development" form
> >>>>>> and get:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://rawgit.com/w3c/csvw/gh-pages/use-cases-and-
> >>>>>> requirements/index.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I tried that in pubrules checker
> >> http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> got:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Using org.apache.xerces.parsers.SAXParser
> >>>>>> Exception net.sf.saxon.trans.XPathException:
> >>>>>> org.xml.sax.SAXParseException; systemId:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> http://services.w3.org/tidy/tidy?docAddr=https%3A%2F%2Frawgit.com%2Fw
> >>>>>> 3c %2Fcsvw%2Fgh-pages%2Fuse-cases-and-requirements%2Findex.html;
> >>>>>> lineNumber: 11; columnNumber: 149; An invalid XML character
> >>>> (Unicode:
> >>>>>> 0x1b) was found in the element content of the document.
> >>>>>> org.xml.sax.SAXParseException; systemId:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> http://services.w3.org/tidy/tidy?docAddr=https%3A%2F%2Frawgit.com%2Fw
> >>>>>> 3c %2Fcsvw%2Fgh-pages%2Fuse-cases-and-requirements%2Findex.html;
> >>>>>> lineNumber: 11; columnNumber: 149; An invalid XML character
> >>>> (Unicode:
> >>>>>> 0x1b) was found in the element content of the document.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Would you just recommend that I merge in the changes with gh-
> >> pages
> >>>>>> branch and get on with the process?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Many thanks, Jeremy
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [1]: https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-
> >>>> pages/publishing_process.md
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
> >>>>>>>> Sent: 19 June 2014 11:37
> >>>>>>>> To: Tandy, Jeremy; Jeni Tennison
> >>>>>>>> Cc: Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; W3C CSV on the Web Working
> >>>>>>>> Group; Dan Brickley
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-
> >> cases-
> >>>>>> and-
> >>>>>>>> requirements
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 19 Jun 2014, at 10:23 , Tandy, Jeremy
> >>>>>>>> <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ivan: """Tuesday 1st of July is our best option"""
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'm happy with this for next PWD release.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Would this be also a date for publishing the two other (model,
> >>>>>>>> metadata) documents, or do we want to do an independent
> >>>> publishing?
> >>>>>>>> (Both are fine with me, but we should decide).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jeremy, can you try to go through the publishing process, as
> >>>>>>>> described in the archive? I hope that would work...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Ivan
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Jeremy
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: 18 June 2014 17:13
> >>>>>>>>>> To: Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; Tandy, Jeremy
> >>>>>>>>>> Cc: W3C CSV on the Web Working Group; Dan Brickley
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-
> >>>> cases-
> >>>>>>>> and-
> >>>>>>>>>> requirements
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 18 Jun 2014, at 15:33 , Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> <skip/>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Next steps: UCR editors, can you wrap up any outstanding
> >>>> tweaks,
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>> liaise with Ivan to get a publication date scheduled?
> >>>>>>>>>>> (please copy
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> list on these details)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Publishing happens on tuesdays and thursdays. It always
> >> require
> >>>>>>>>>> some preparation and also an agreement with the webmaster
> (to
> >>>> put
> >>>>>>>>>> this into his schedule). Note also what I wrote down after
> >>>>>>>>>> the previous
> >>>>>>>> round:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-
> >> pages/publishing_process.md
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> which helps in speeding things up.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> As far as my schedule is concerned, I am free next week
> >> Tuesday
> >>>>>>>>>> (24th), but I am not really available for the rest of this
> >> week
> >>>>>> (I
> >>>>>>>> am
> >>>>>>>>>> currently in Oslo for a conference, traveling back on
> >>>>>>>>>> Friday),
> >>>> so
> >>>>>>>>>> this may be tight. I am not available on the 26th. I am
> >>>> available
> >>>>>>>>>> on the first two weeks of July both on Tuesdays and
> Thursdays.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> My feeling is that the Tuesday 1st of July is our best
> >>>>>>>>>> option,
> >>>> at
> >>>>>>>>>> least from my side (ie, if you can finalize the documents by
> >>>>>> then)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Would that work?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Would we also want to schedule the two other documents for
> >> that
> >>>>>>>>>> date (model and metadata)? Note that we need an explicit WG
> >>>>>>>>>> resolution
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> a request for an official 'short name' for the latter,
> >>>>>>>>>> because that is a first public draft. (In case you wonder:
> >>>>>>>>>> all this
> >>>> admin
> >>>>>>>>>> around the first draft is mainly necessary for the
> management
> >>>>>>>>>> of Patent
> >>>>>>>> Policies.
> >>>>>>>>>> The world would be simpler if we did not have to deal with
> >>>>>>>>>> that...)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Ivan
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> chairs,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Dan
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ----
> >>>>>>>>>> Ivan Herman, W3C
> >>>>>>>>>> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
> >>>>>>>>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
> >>>>>>>>>> mobile: +31-641044153
> >>>>>>>>>> GPG: 0x343F1A3D
> >>>>>>>>>> WebID: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf#me
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ----
> >>>>>>>> Ivan Herman, W3C
> >>>>>>>> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
> >>>>>>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
> >>>>>>>> mobile: +31-641044153
> >>>>>>>> GPG: 0x343F1A3D
> >>>>>>>> WebID: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf#me
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----
> >>>> Ivan Herman, W3C
> >>>> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
> >>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
> >>>> mobile: +31-641044153
> >>>> GPG: 0x343F1A3D
> >>>> WebID: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf#me
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----
> >> Ivan Herman, W3C
> >> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
> >> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
> >> mobile: +31-641044153
> >> GPG: 0x343F1A3D
> >> WebID: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf#me
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> 
> 
> ----
> Ivan Herman, W3C
> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
> mobile: +31-641044153
> GPG: 0x343F1A3D
> WebID: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf#me
> 
> 
> 
> 
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