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Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-cases-and-requirements

From: Eric <ericphb@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:45:10 -0700
Cc: "Tandy, Jeremy" <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk>, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>, Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com>, Jeni Tennison <jeni@jenitennison.com>, W3C CSV on the Web Working Group <public-csv-wg@w3.org>
Message-Id: <F5EB44A2-91C9-4362-BD7E-84D7BC7B957A@gmail.com>
To: "Ceolin, D." <d.ceolin@vu.nl>
Sounds like a plan! 

Eric

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> On Jun 23, 2014, at 8:18 AM, "Ceolin, D." <d.ceolin@vu.nl> wrote:
> 
> Ok! Thanks very much.
> 
> Davide
> 
>> Il giorno 23/giu/2014, alle ore 17.17, Tandy, Jeremy ha scritto:
>> 
>> Super job. 
>> 
>> Davide, Eric - let's assume that nil response by Wednesday is a positive statement that there are no more changes required for this WD release.
>> 
>> Jeremy
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
>>> Sent: 23 June 2014 14:23
>>> To: Tandy, Jeremy
>>> Cc: Dan Brickley; Jeni Tennison; Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; W3C CSV
>>> on the Web Working Group
>>> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-cases-and-
>>> requirements
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 23 Jun 2014, at 14:54 , Tandy, Jeremy
>>> <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Ivan - many thanks for your weekend working!
>>> 
>>> Sure!
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I have republished the [publishing snapshot][1] in gh-pages branch,
>>> along with its [diff to previous version][2], including all your
>>> changes.
>>>> 
>>>> At this point, I have _NOT_ yet amended the [ED draft][3] to reflect
>>> a change in the previous version (e.g. lines 14-16):
>>>> 
>>>> ---
>>>>  previousPublishDate: "2014-03-27",
>>>>  previousMaturity: "FPWD",
>>>>  previousURI: "http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-csvw-ucr-20140327/",
>>>> ---
>>>> 
>>>> I suggest that you make these changes only once it has been passed to
>>> the W3C webmaster in case we need to make some more (unforeseen)
>>> changes between now and then.
>>> 
>>> Absolutely. That is exactly the point of using those funny URI-s to
>>> generate the Overview.html.
>>> 
>>> I wait for Eric's and Davide's response whether it is a go, and I will
>>> then copy all this to the W3C site.
>>> 
>>> Ivan
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Many thanks, Jeremy
>>>> 
>>>> [1]:
>>>> http://w3c.github.io/csvw/publishing-snapshots/WD-ucr-2014-07-
>>> 01/Overv
>>>> iew.html
>>>> [2]:
>>>> http://w3c.github.io/csvw/publishing-snapshots/WD-ucr-2014-07-
>>> 01/diff-
>>>> 20140327.html
>>>> [3]: http://w3c.github.io/csvw/use-cases-and-requirements/index.html
>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
>>>>> Sent: 22 June 2014 13:26
>>>>> To: Tandy, Jeremy
>>>>> Cc: Dan Brickley; Jeni Tennison; Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; W3C
>>> CSV
>>>>> on the Web Working Group
>>>>> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-cases-
>>> and-
>>>>> requirements
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jeremy,
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Have checked out the repo, made some changes on the index file to
>>>>> respond to your various questions on the references (I have also
>>>>> added the necessary references). I think that, from that point of
>>>>> view, it is ready to go. I pushed this into the pwd-ucr branch.
>>>>> - I have also looked at the checker's response, namely the 'manual'
>>>>> checks, and I did not find any problems
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would think that you can go ahead with the latest version, merge
>>>>> and generate the final Overview.html file in the gq-pages branch.
>>>>> Once this is done, I can then copy them to the final place. I have
>>>>> sent a publication request to the webmaster.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anything else you need me for before I take over to put this up onto
>>>>> the W3C?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ivan
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 20 Jun 2014, at 17:11 , Tandy, Jeremy
>>>>> <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ivan - thanks for initial comment. We'll merge pwd-ucr into gh-
>>> pages
>>>>> once we're happy. Until then, I fix `index.html` in gh-pages branch
>>>>> and then generate a new `Overview.html` (from respec) which I commit
>>>>> into pwd-ucr.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jeremy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
>>>>>>> Sent: 20 June 2014 15:40
>>>>>>> To: Tandy, Jeremy
>>>>>>> Cc: Dan Brickley; Jeni Tennison; Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; W3C
>>>>> CSV
>>>>>>> on the Web Working Group
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-cases-
>>>>> and-
>>>>>>> requirements
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 20 Jun 2014, at 13:51 , Tandy, Jeremy
>>>>>>> <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Dan & Ivan -
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Pending resolution of the [request sent to Ivan this morning][1]
>>> I
>>>>>>> have managed to run through the entire publishing process to
>>>>> generate
>>>>>>> the [`Overview`][2] and [`diff`][3] html pages via RawGit.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regarding the [PubRules][4] validation (see [results][5])...
>>>>>>>> - I fixed some nested anchor elements caused by using `<a>`
>>> within
>>>>> a
>>>>>>> figure caption that then got wrapped in another `<a>` by respec,
>>>>>>> and found a pair of unescaped `<` and `>` characters ... nothing
>>> much.
>>>>>>>> - HTML validation still complains (with a warning) that the <bdi>
>>>>>>>> element is not generally supported
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That is warning. We should get that through with the webmaster:-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - I get an error on the boiler plate regarding the Patent Policy
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> even though this is generated by respect :-(
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hm. I will have to look at that next week, I vaguely remember some
>>>>>>> issues with the checker
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - I get a number of HTTP 404 errors on URLs in the document; but
>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>> are all from with <pre> elements (e.g. literal examples) and we
>>>>>>> agreed
>>>>>>>> last time that these didn't count
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yes. We will have to document that to the webmaster
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - I get an HTTP 403 error on
>>>>>>> http://www.nhs.uk/aboutnhschoices/contactus/pages/freedom-of-
>>>>>>> information.aspx - but this resolves fine for me in my browser!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yes, there are sites that put in obstacles for robots. As long as
>>>>>>> this is documented that it works...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Once we're happy that the UCR document is in its final state,
>>> I'll
>>>>>>> run though this process again ... it didn't take very long.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But we should merge it to the main branch, and not keep it in the
>>>>>>> separate one. The whole purpose is that whatever changes you do
>>>>>>> should be there once and for all and you would not have to repeat
>>>>>>> them next
>>>>>>> time:-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Also, I'd appreciate an experienced assessment on the things that
>>>>>>> PubRules says I need to manually verify. Most of them seem OK -
>>> but
>>>>>>> what do I know!?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I will do that next week.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ivan
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Best Regards, Jeremy
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> PS. I've added a few amendments to the [publishing process][6] to
>>>>>>> explain how to use the RawGit service.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks! We and others will, hopefully profit from it...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I can contact the webmaster with an agreement for the 1st of July,
>>>>>>> but I have to know whether the UCR is the only document to be
>>>>>>> published on that day!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ivan
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> [1]:
>>>>>>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-csv-
>>> wg/2014Jun/0131.htm
>>>>>>>> l
>>>>>>>> [2]:
>>>>>>>> https://rawgit.com/w3c/csvw/pwd-ucr/publishing-snapshots/WD-ucr-
>>>>> 2014
>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> 0
>>>>>>>> 7-01/Overview.html
>>>>>>>> [3]:
>>>>>>>> https://rawgit.com/w3c/csvw/pwd-ucr/publishing-snapshots/WD-ucr-
>>>>> 2014
>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> 0
>>>>>>>> 7-01/diff-20140327.html
>>>>>>>> [4]: http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules
>>>>>>>> [5]:
>>> http://services.w3.org/xslt?xmlfile=http%3A%2F%2Fservices.w3.org%2Fti
>>>>>>> d
>>> y%2Ftidy%3FdocAddr%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Frawgit.com%252Fw3c%252Fcsvw%
>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>> 52Fpwd-ucr%252Fpublishing-snapshots%252FWD-ucr-2014-07-
>>>>>>> 01%252FOverview
>>> .html&xslfile=http%3A%2F%2Fservices.w3.org%2Fxslt%3Fxmlfile%3Dhttp%3A
>>>>>>> %
>>> 2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2005%2F07%2Fpubrules%253Fuimode%253Dchecker_full%25
>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>> 6year%253D2014%2526docstatus%253Dord-wd-
>>>>>>> tr%2526rectrack%253Dyes%2526pr
>>> evrec%253Dnone%2526patpol%253Dw3c%2526normative%253Dyes%2526uri%253Dh
>>>>>>> t
>>> tps%25253A%25252F%25252Frawgit.com%25252Fw3c%25252Fcsvw%25252Fpwd-
>>>>>>> ucr%
>>>>>>>> 25252Fpublishing-snapshots%25252FWD-ucr-2014-07-
>>>>>>> 01%25252FOverview.html
>>> %2526filterValues%253D%2526nscheckmanual%253D%2526display%253Dall%252
>>>>>>> 6
>>> recursive%253Doff%2526recurse_auth%253Don%26xslfile%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fww
>>>>>>> w
>>> .w3.org%2F2005%2F09%2Fchecker%2Fframe.xsl%26display%3Dall%26recurse_a
>>>>>>> u
>>> th%3Don&uimode=checker_full&filterValues=&year=2014&docstatus=ord-
>>>>> wd
>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> t
>>> r&rectrack=yes&prevrec=none&patpol=w3c&normative=yes&doc_uri=https%3A
>>>>>>> %
>>>>>>>> 2F%2Frawgit.com%2Fw3c%2Fcsvw%2Fpwd-ucr%2Fpublishing-
>>> snapshots%2FWD
>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> ucr
>>>>>>>> -2014-07-
>>>>>>> 01%2FOverview.html&recursive=off&nscheckmanual=&display=all&r
>>>>>>>> ecurse_auth=on
>>>>>>>> [6]: https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-
>>>>> pages/publishing_process.md
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Dan Brickley [mailto:danbri@google.com]
>>>>>>>>> Sent: 19 June 2014 19:58
>>>>>>>>> To: Tandy, Jeremy
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Ivan Herman; Jeni Tennison; Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; W3C
>>>>>>>>> CSV on the Web Working Group
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-
>>> cases-
>>>>>>> and-
>>>>>>>>> requirements
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 19 June 2014 16:02, Tandy, Jeremy
>>>>>>>>> <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ivan -
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I've created the new ucr WD on a new branch: pwd-ucr ...
>>> because
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> didn't want to confuse things by publishing early wrt the W3C
>>>>>>>>> publishing regime.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I've got up to step 4.vii of the [publishing process][1] but
>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>> I am not on gh-pages branch I can't push my new Overview.html to
>>>>>>>>> a publically accessible web server in order to run the W3C pub
>>>>>>>>> rules checker.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> There's a service at rawgit.com that seems useful, for short-
>>> term
>>>>>>> low
>>>>>>>>> traffic use. I pasted
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-pages/use-
>>>>>>>>> cases-and-requirements/index.html into their "development" form
>>>>>>>>> and get:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> https://rawgit.com/w3c/csvw/gh-pages/use-cases-and-
>>>>>>>>> requirements/index.html
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I tried that in pubrules checker
>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> got:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Using org.apache.xerces.parsers.SAXParser
>>>>>>>>> Exception net.sf.saxon.trans.XPathException:
>>>>>>>>> org.xml.sax.SAXParseException; systemId:
>>> http://services.w3.org/tidy/tidy?docAddr=https%3A%2F%2Frawgit.com%2Fw
>>>>>>>>> 3c %2Fcsvw%2Fgh-pages%2Fuse-cases-and-requirements%2Findex.html;
>>>>>>>>> lineNumber: 11; columnNumber: 149; An invalid XML character
>>>>>>> (Unicode:
>>>>>>>>> 0x1b) was found in the element content of the document.
>>>>>>>>> org.xml.sax.SAXParseException; systemId:
>>> http://services.w3.org/tidy/tidy?docAddr=https%3A%2F%2Frawgit.com%2Fw
>>>>>>>>> 3c %2Fcsvw%2Fgh-pages%2Fuse-cases-and-requirements%2Findex.html;
>>>>>>>>> lineNumber: 11; columnNumber: 149; An invalid XML character
>>>>>>> (Unicode:
>>>>>>>>> 0x1b) was found in the element content of the document.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Would you just recommend that I merge in the changes with gh-
>>>>> pages
>>>>>>>>> branch and get on with the process?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks, Jeremy
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> [1]: https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-
>>>>>>> pages/publishing_process.md
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 19 June 2014 11:37
>>>>>>>>>>> To: Tandy, Jeremy; Jeni Tennison
>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; W3C CSV on the Web Working
>>>>>>>>>>> Group; Dan Brickley
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-
>>>>> cases-
>>>>>>>>> and-
>>>>>>>>>>> requirements
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 19 Jun 2014, at 10:23 , Tandy, Jeremy
>>>>>>>>>>> <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ivan: """Tuesday 1st of July is our best option"""
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm happy with this for next PWD release.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Would this be also a date for publishing the two other (model,
>>>>>>>>>>> metadata) documents, or do we want to do an independent
>>>>>>> publishing?
>>>>>>>>>>> (Both are fine with me, but we should decide).
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy, can you try to go through the publishing process, as
>>>>>>>>>>> described in the archive? I hope that would work...
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Ivan
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 18 June 2014 17:13
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; Tandy, Jeremy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: W3C CSV on the Web Working Group; Dan Brickley
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-
>>>>>>> cases-
>>>>>>>>>>> and-
>>>>>>>>>>>>> requirements
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18 Jun 2014, at 15:33 , Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <skip/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next steps: UCR editors, can you wrap up any outstanding
>>>>>>> tweaks,
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liaise with Ivan to get a publication date scheduled?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (please copy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list on these details)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Publishing happens on tuesdays and thursdays. It always
>>>>> require
>>>>>>>>>>>>> some preparation and also an agreement with the webmaster
>>> (to
>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this into his schedule). Note also what I wrote down after
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the previous
>>>>>>>>>>> round:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-
>>>>> pages/publishing_process.md
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which helps in speeding things up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as my schedule is concerned, I am free next week
>>>>> Tuesday
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (24th), but I am not really available for the rest of this
>>>>> week
>>>>>>>>> (I
>>>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently in Oslo for a conference, traveling back on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Friday),
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this may be tight. I am not available on the 26th. I am
>>>>>>> available
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the first two weeks of July both on Tuesdays and
>>> Thursdays.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My feeling is that the Tuesday 1st of July is our best
>>>>>>>>>>>>> option,
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> least from my side (ie, if you can finalize the documents by
>>>>>>>>> then)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would that work?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would we also want to schedule the two other documents for
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> date (model and metadata)? Note that we need an explicit WG
>>>>>>>>>>>>> resolution
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a request for an official 'short name' for the latter,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because that is a first public draft. (In case you wonder:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all this
>>>>>>> admin
>>>>>>>>>>>>> around the first draft is mainly necessary for the
>>> management
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Patent
>>>>>>>>>>> Policies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The world would be simpler if we did not have to deal with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that...)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ivan
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chairs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ivan Herman, W3C
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mobile: +31-641044153
>>>>>>>>>>>>> GPG: 0x343F1A3D
>>>>>>>>>>>>> WebID: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf#me
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>>>>>> Ivan Herman, W3C
>>>>>>>>>>> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
>>>>>>>>>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>>>>>>>>>>> mobile: +31-641044153
>>>>>>>>>>> GPG: 0x343F1A3D
>>>>>>>>>>> WebID: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf#me
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>> Ivan Herman, W3C
>>>>>>> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
>>>>>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>>>>>>> mobile: +31-641044153
>>>>>>> GPG: 0x343F1A3D
>>>>>>> WebID: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf#me
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----
>>>>> Ivan Herman, W3C
>>>>> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
>>>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>>>>> mobile: +31-641044153
>>>>> GPG: 0x343F1A3D
>>>>> WebID: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf#me
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----
>>> Ivan Herman, W3C
>>> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>>> mobile: +31-641044153
>>> GPG: 0x343F1A3D
>>> WebID: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf#me
> 
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