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Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-cases-and-requirements

From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 15:23:02 +0200
Cc: Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com>, Jeni Tennison <jeni@jenitennison.com>, Eric Stephan <ericphb@gmail.com>, Davide Ceolin <d.ceolin@vu.nl>, W3C CSV on the Web Working Group <public-csv-wg@w3.org>
Message-Id: <410DC3D0-42D0-437E-B35F-61C2B6478089@w3.org>
To: "Tandy, Jeremy" <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk>

On 23 Jun 2014, at 14:54 , Tandy, Jeremy <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk> wrote:

> Ivan - many thanks for your weekend working!

Sure!

> 
> I have republished the [publishing snapshot][1] in gh-pages branch, along with its [diff to previous version][2], including all your changes.
> 
> At this point, I have _NOT_ yet amended the [ED draft][3] to reflect a change in the previous version (e.g. lines 14-16):
> 
> ---
>    previousPublishDate: "2014-03-27",
>    previousMaturity: "FPWD",
>    previousURI: "http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-csvw-ucr-20140327/",
> ---
> 
> I suggest that you make these changes only once it has been passed to the W3C webmaster in case we need to make some more (unforeseen) changes between now and then.
> 

Absolutely. That is exactly the point of using those funny URI-s to generate the Overview.html.

I wait for Eric's and Davide's response whether it is a go, and I will then copy all this to the W3C site.

Ivan


> Many thanks, Jeremy
> 
> [1]: http://w3c.github.io/csvw/publishing-snapshots/WD-ucr-2014-07-01/Overview.html 
> [2]: http://w3c.github.io/csvw/publishing-snapshots/WD-ucr-2014-07-01/diff-20140327.html 
> [3]: http://w3c.github.io/csvw/use-cases-and-requirements/index.html 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
>> Sent: 22 June 2014 13:26
>> To: Tandy, Jeremy
>> Cc: Dan Brickley; Jeni Tennison; Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; W3C CSV
>> on the Web Working Group
>> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-cases-and-
>> requirements
>> 
>> Jeremy,
>> 
>> - Have checked out the repo, made some changes on the index file to
>> respond to your various questions on the references (I have also added
>> the necessary references). I think that, from that point of view, it is
>> ready to go. I pushed this into the pwd-ucr branch.
>> - I have also looked at the checker's response, namely the 'manual'
>> checks, and I did not find any problems
>> 
>> I would think that you can go ahead with the latest version, merge and
>> generate the final Overview.html file in the gq-pages branch. Once this
>> is done, I can then copy them to the final place. I have sent a
>> publication request to the webmaster.
>> 
>> Anything else you need me for before I take over to put this up onto
>> the W3C?
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Ivan
>> 
>> 
>> On 20 Jun 2014, at 17:11 , Tandy, Jeremy
>> <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> Ivan - thanks for initial comment. We'll merge pwd-ucr into gh-pages
>> once we're happy. Until then, I fix `index.html` in gh-pages branch and
>> then generate a new `Overview.html` (from respec) which I commit into
>> pwd-ucr.
>>> 
>>> Jeremy
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
>>>> Sent: 20 June 2014 15:40
>>>> To: Tandy, Jeremy
>>>> Cc: Dan Brickley; Jeni Tennison; Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; W3C
>> CSV
>>>> on the Web Working Group
>>>> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-cases-
>> and-
>>>> requirements
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 20 Jun 2014, at 13:51 , Tandy, Jeremy
>>>> <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Dan & Ivan -
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pending resolution of the [request sent to Ivan this morning][1] I
>>>> have managed to run through the entire publishing process to
>> generate
>>>> the [`Overview`][2] and [`diff`][3] html pages via RawGit.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regarding the [PubRules][4] validation (see [results][5])...
>>>>> - I fixed some nested anchor elements caused by using `<a>` within
>> a
>>>> figure caption that then got wrapped in another `<a>` by respec, and
>>>> found a pair of unescaped `<` and `>` characters ... nothing much.
>>>>> - HTML validation still complains (with a warning) that the <bdi>
>>>>> element is not generally supported
>>>> 
>>>> That is warning. We should get that through with the webmaster:-)
>>>> 
>>>>> - I get an error on the boiler plate regarding the Patent Policy
>> ...
>>>>> even though this is generated by respect :-(
>>>> 
>>>> Hm. I will have to look at that next week, I vaguely remember some
>>>> issues with the checker
>>>> 
>>>>> - I get a number of HTTP 404 errors on URLs in the document; but
>>>> these
>>>>> are all from with <pre> elements (e.g. literal examples) and we
>>>> agreed
>>>>> last time that these didn't count
>>>> 
>>>> Yes. We will have to document that to the webmaster
>>>> 
>>>>> - I get an HTTP 403 error on
>>>> http://www.nhs.uk/aboutnhschoices/contactus/pages/freedom-of-
>>>> information.aspx - but this resolves fine for me in my browser!
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, there are sites that put in obstacles for robots. As long as
>>>> this is documented that it works...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Once we're happy that the UCR document is in its final state, I'll
>>>> run though this process again ... it didn't take very long.
>>>> 
>>>> But we should merge it to the main branch, and not keep it in the
>>>> separate one. The whole purpose is that whatever changes you do
>>>> should be there once and for all and you would not have to repeat
>>>> them next
>>>> time:-)
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also, I'd appreciate an experienced assessment on the things that
>>>> PubRules says I need to manually verify. Most of them seem OK - but
>>>> what do I know!?
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I will do that next week.
>>>> 
>>>> Ivan
>>>> 
>>>>> Best Regards, Jeremy
>>>>> 
>>>>> PS. I've added a few amendments to the [publishing process][6] to
>>>> explain how to use the RawGit service.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks! We and others will, hopefully profit from it...
>>>> 
>>>> I can contact the webmaster with an agreement for the 1st of July,
>>>> but I have to know whether the UCR is the only document to be
>>>> published on that day!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Ivan
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> [1]:
>>>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-csv-wg/2014Jun/0131.html
>>>>> [2]:
>>>>> https://rawgit.com/w3c/csvw/pwd-ucr/publishing-snapshots/WD-ucr-
>> 2014
>>>>> -
>>>> 0
>>>>> 7-01/Overview.html
>>>>> [3]:
>>>>> https://rawgit.com/w3c/csvw/pwd-ucr/publishing-snapshots/WD-ucr-
>> 2014
>>>>> -
>>>> 0
>>>>> 7-01/diff-20140327.html
>>>>> [4]: http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules
>>>>> [5]:
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> http://services.w3.org/xslt?xmlfile=http%3A%2F%2Fservices.w3.org%2Fti
>>>> d
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> y%2Ftidy%3FdocAddr%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Frawgit.com%252Fw3c%252Fcsvw%
>>>> 2
>>>>> 52Fpwd-ucr%252Fpublishing-snapshots%252FWD-ucr-2014-07-
>>>> 01%252FOverview
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> .html&xslfile=http%3A%2F%2Fservices.w3.org%2Fxslt%3Fxmlfile%3Dhttp%3A
>>>> %
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2005%2F07%2Fpubrules%253Fuimode%253Dchecker_full%25
>>>> 2
>>>>> 6year%253D2014%2526docstatus%253Dord-wd-
>>>> tr%2526rectrack%253Dyes%2526pr
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> evrec%253Dnone%2526patpol%253Dw3c%2526normative%253Dyes%2526uri%253Dh
>>>> t
>>>>> tps%25253A%25252F%25252Frawgit.com%25252Fw3c%25252Fcsvw%25252Fpwd-
>>>> ucr%
>>>>> 25252Fpublishing-snapshots%25252FWD-ucr-2014-07-
>>>> 01%25252FOverview.html
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> %2526filterValues%253D%2526nscheckmanual%253D%2526display%253Dall%252
>>>> 6
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> recursive%253Doff%2526recurse_auth%253Don%26xslfile%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fww
>>>> w
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> .w3.org%2F2005%2F09%2Fchecker%2Fframe.xsl%26display%3Dall%26recurse_a
>>>> u
>>>>> th%3Don&uimode=checker_full&filterValues=&year=2014&docstatus=ord-
>> wd
>>>>> -
>>>> t
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> r&rectrack=yes&prevrec=none&patpol=w3c&normative=yes&doc_uri=https%3A
>>>> %
>>>>> 2F%2Frawgit.com%2Fw3c%2Fcsvw%2Fpwd-ucr%2Fpublishing-snapshots%2FWD-
>>>> ucr
>>>>> -2014-07-
>>>> 01%2FOverview.html&recursive=off&nscheckmanual=&display=all&r
>>>>> ecurse_auth=on
>>>>> [6]: https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-
>> pages/publishing_process.md
>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Dan Brickley [mailto:danbri@google.com]
>>>>>> Sent: 19 June 2014 19:58
>>>>>> To: Tandy, Jeremy
>>>>>> Cc: Ivan Herman; Jeni Tennison; Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; W3C
>>>>>> CSV on the Web Working Group
>>>>>> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-cases-
>>>> and-
>>>>>> requirements
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 19 June 2014 16:02, Tandy, Jeremy
>>>>>> <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Ivan -
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I've created the new ucr WD on a new branch: pwd-ucr ... because
>> I
>>>>>> didn't want to confuse things by publishing early wrt the W3C
>>>>>> publishing regime.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I've got up to step 4.vii of the [publishing process][1] but
>>>> because
>>>>>> I am not on gh-pages branch I can't push my new Overview.html to a
>>>>>> publically accessible web server in order to run the W3C pub rules
>>>>>> checker.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There's a service at rawgit.com that seems useful, for short-term
>>>> low
>>>>>> traffic use. I pasted
>>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-pages/use-
>>>>>> cases-and-requirements/index.html
>>>>>> into their "development" form and get:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://rawgit.com/w3c/csvw/gh-pages/use-cases-and-
>>>>>> requirements/index.html
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I tried that in pubrules checker
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> got:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Using org.apache.xerces.parsers.SAXParser
>>>>>> Exception net.sf.saxon.trans.XPathException:
>>>>>> org.xml.sax.SAXParseException; systemId:
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> http://services.w3.org/tidy/tidy?docAddr=https%3A%2F%2Frawgit.com%2Fw
>>>>>> 3c %2Fcsvw%2Fgh-pages%2Fuse-cases-and-requirements%2Findex.html;
>>>>>> lineNumber: 11; columnNumber: 149; An invalid XML character
>>>> (Unicode:
>>>>>> 0x1b) was found in the element content of the document.
>>>>>> org.xml.sax.SAXParseException; systemId:
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> http://services.w3.org/tidy/tidy?docAddr=https%3A%2F%2Frawgit.com%2Fw
>>>>>> 3c %2Fcsvw%2Fgh-pages%2Fuse-cases-and-requirements%2Findex.html;
>>>>>> lineNumber: 11; columnNumber: 149; An invalid XML character
>>>> (Unicode:
>>>>>> 0x1b) was found in the element content of the document.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Would you just recommend that I merge in the changes with gh-
>> pages
>>>>>> branch and get on with the process?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Many thanks, Jeremy
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> [1]: https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-
>>>> pages/publishing_process.md
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
>>>>>>>> Sent: 19 June 2014 11:37
>>>>>>>> To: Tandy, Jeremy; Jeni Tennison
>>>>>>>> Cc: Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; W3C CSV on the Web Working
>>>>>>>> Group; Dan Brickley
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-
>> cases-
>>>>>> and-
>>>>>>>> requirements
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 19 Jun 2014, at 10:23 , Tandy, Jeremy
>>>>>>>> <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Ivan: """Tuesday 1st of July is our best option"""
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm happy with this for next PWD release.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Would this be also a date for publishing the two other (model,
>>>>>>>> metadata) documents, or do we want to do an independent
>>>> publishing?
>>>>>>>> (Both are fine with me, but we should decide).
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Jeremy, can you try to go through the publishing process, as
>>>>>>>> described in the archive? I hope that would work...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Ivan
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Jeremy
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 18 June 2014 17:13
>>>>>>>>>> To: Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; Tandy, Jeremy
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: W3C CSV on the Web Working Group; Dan Brickley
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-
>>>> cases-
>>>>>>>> and-
>>>>>>>>>> requirements
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 18 Jun 2014, at 15:33 , Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> <skip/>
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Next steps: UCR editors, can you wrap up any outstanding
>>>> tweaks,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> liaise with Ivan to get a publication date scheduled? (please
>>>>>>>>>>> copy
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> list on these details)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Publishing happens on tuesdays and thursdays. It always
>> require
>>>>>>>>>> some preparation and also an agreement with the webmaster (to
>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>> this into his schedule). Note also what I wrote down after the
>>>>>>>>>> previous
>>>>>>>> round:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-
>> pages/publishing_process.md
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> which helps in speeding things up.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> As far as my schedule is concerned, I am free next week
>> Tuesday
>>>>>>>>>> (24th), but I am not really available for the rest of this
>> week
>>>>>> (I
>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>> currently in Oslo for a conference, traveling back on Friday),
>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>> this may be tight. I am not available on the 26th. I am
>>>> available
>>>>>>>>>> on the first two weeks of July both on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> My feeling is that the Tuesday 1st of July is our best option,
>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>> least from my side (ie, if you can finalize the documents by
>>>>>> then)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Would that work?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Would we also want to schedule the two other documents for
>> that
>>>>>>>>>> date (model and metadata)? Note that we need an explicit WG
>>>>>>>>>> resolution
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> a request for an official 'short name' for the latter, because
>>>>>>>>>> that is a first public draft. (In case you wonder: all this
>>>> admin
>>>>>>>>>> around the first draft is mainly necessary for the management
>>>>>>>>>> of Patent
>>>>>>>> Policies.
>>>>>>>>>> The world would be simpler if we did not have to deal with
>>>>>>>>>> that...)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Ivan
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> chairs,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>>>>> Ivan Herman, W3C
>>>>>>>>>> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
>>>>>>>>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>>>>>>>>>> mobile: +31-641044153
>>>>>>>>>> GPG: 0x343F1A3D
>>>>>>>>>> WebID: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf#me
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>>> Ivan Herman, W3C
>>>>>>>> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
>>>>>>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>>>>>>>> mobile: +31-641044153
>>>>>>>> GPG: 0x343F1A3D
>>>>>>>> WebID: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf#me
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----
>>>> Ivan Herman, W3C
>>>> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
>>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>>>> mobile: +31-641044153
>>>> GPG: 0x343F1A3D
>>>> WebID: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf#me
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----
>> Ivan Herman, W3C
>> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>> mobile: +31-641044153
>> GPG: 0x343F1A3D
>> WebID: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf#me
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 


----
Ivan Herman, W3C 
Digital Publishing Activity Lead
Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
mobile: +31-641044153
GPG: 0x343F1A3D
WebID: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf#me






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