RE: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-cases-and-requirements

All - following some great suggestions from Richard Ishida @ W3C, I've amended the RTL i18n use case. We now get no HTML validation errors (am using <bdo> not <bdi> and zero-width-non-joiner U+200C `&#8204;` to prevent Arabic characters from being joined together). Richard also suggested a number of improvements to the use case itself - which have been incorporated.

So ... that's all checked in and I've created another [publishing snapshot][1] (& [diff][2]).

So Ivan - pending comments from Eric or Davide, I think we're good to get in touch with the webmaster for official publication.

Jeremy

[1]: http://w3c.github.io/csvw/publishing-snapshots/WD-ucr-2014-07-01/Overview.html 
[2]: http://w3c.github.io/csvw/publishing-snapshots/WD-ucr-2014-07-01/diff-20140327.html  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tandy, Jeremy [mailto:jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk]
> Sent: 23 June 2014 16:18
> To: Ivan Herman
> Cc: Dan Brickley; Jeni Tennison; Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; W3C CSV
> on the Web Working Group
> Subject: RE: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-cases-and-
> requirements
> 
> Super job.
> 
> Davide, Eric - let's assume that nil response by Wednesday is a
> positive statement that there are no more changes required for this WD
> release.
> 
> Jeremy
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
> > Sent: 23 June 2014 14:23
> > To: Tandy, Jeremy
> > Cc: Dan Brickley; Jeni Tennison; Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; W3C CSV
> > on the Web Working Group
> > Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-cases-and-
> > requirements
> >
> >
> > On 23 Jun 2014, at 14:54 , Tandy, Jeremy
> > <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Ivan - many thanks for your weekend working!
> >
> > Sure!
> >
> > >
> > > I have republished the [publishing snapshot][1] in gh-pages branch,
> > along with its [diff to previous version][2], including all your
> > changes.
> > >
> > > At this point, I have _NOT_ yet amended the [ED draft][3] to
> reflect
> > a change in the previous version (e.g. lines 14-16):
> > >
> > > ---
> > >    previousPublishDate: "2014-03-27",
> > >    previousMaturity: "FPWD",
> > >    previousURI: "http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-csvw-ucr-20140327/",
> > > ---
> > >
> > > I suggest that you make these changes only once it has been passed
> > > to
> > the W3C webmaster in case we need to make some more (unforeseen)
> > changes between now and then.
> > >
> >
> > Absolutely. That is exactly the point of using those funny URI-s to
> > generate the Overview.html.
> >
> > I wait for Eric's and Davide's response whether it is a go, and I
> will
> > then copy all this to the W3C site.
> >
> > Ivan
> >
> >
> > > Many thanks, Jeremy
> > >
> > > [1]:
> > > http://w3c.github.io/csvw/publishing-snapshots/WD-ucr-2014-07-
> > 01/Overv
> > > iew.html
> > > [2]:
> > > http://w3c.github.io/csvw/publishing-snapshots/WD-ucr-2014-07-
> > 01/diff-
> > > 20140327.html
> > > [3]: http://w3c.github.io/csvw/use-cases-and-
> requirements/index.html
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
> > >> Sent: 22 June 2014 13:26
> > >> To: Tandy, Jeremy
> > >> Cc: Dan Brickley; Jeni Tennison; Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; W3C
> > CSV
> > >> on the Web Working Group
> > >> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-cases-
> > and-
> > >> requirements
> > >>
> > >> Jeremy,
> > >>
> > >> - Have checked out the repo, made some changes on the index file
> to
> > >> respond to your various questions on the references (I have also
> > >> added the necessary references). I think that, from that point of
> > >> view, it is ready to go. I pushed this into the pwd-ucr branch.
> > >> - I have also looked at the checker's response, namely the
> 'manual'
> > >> checks, and I did not find any problems
> > >>
> > >> I would think that you can go ahead with the latest version, merge
> > >> and generate the final Overview.html file in the gq-pages branch.
> > >> Once this is done, I can then copy them to the final place. I have
> > >> sent a publication request to the webmaster.
> > >>
> > >> Anything else you need me for before I take over to put this up
> > >> onto the W3C?
> > >>
> > >> Cheers
> > >>
> > >> Ivan
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 20 Jun 2014, at 17:11 , Tandy, Jeremy
> > >> <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Ivan - thanks for initial comment. We'll merge pwd-ucr into gh-
> > pages
> > >> once we're happy. Until then, I fix `index.html` in gh-pages
> branch
> > >> and then generate a new `Overview.html` (from respec) which I
> > >> commit into pwd-ucr.
> > >>>
> > >>> Jeremy
> > >>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
> > >>>> Sent: 20 June 2014 15:40
> > >>>> To: Tandy, Jeremy
> > >>>> Cc: Dan Brickley; Jeni Tennison; Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin;
> W3C
> > >> CSV
> > >>>> on the Web Working Group
> > >>>> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-
> cases-
> > >> and-
> > >>>> requirements
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 20 Jun 2014, at 13:51 , Tandy, Jeremy
> > >>>> <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Dan & Ivan -
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks for your help.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Pending resolution of the [request sent to Ivan this
> morning][1]
> > I
> > >>>> have managed to run through the entire publishing process to
> > >> generate
> > >>>> the [`Overview`][2] and [`diff`][3] html pages via RawGit.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Regarding the [PubRules][4] validation (see [results][5])...
> > >>>>> - I fixed some nested anchor elements caused by using `<a>`
> > within
> > >> a
> > >>>> figure caption that then got wrapped in another `<a>` by respec,
> > >>>> and found a pair of unescaped `<` and `>` characters ... nothing
> > much.
> > >>>>> - HTML validation still complains (with a warning) that the
> > >>>>> <bdi> element is not generally supported
> > >>>>
> > >>>> That is warning. We should get that through with the webmaster:-
> )
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> - I get an error on the boiler plate regarding the Patent
> Policy
> > >> ...
> > >>>>> even though this is generated by respect :-(
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hm. I will have to look at that next week, I vaguely remember
> > >>>> some issues with the checker
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> - I get a number of HTTP 404 errors on URLs in the document;
> but
> > >>>> these
> > >>>>> are all from with <pre> elements (e.g. literal examples) and we
> > >>>> agreed
> > >>>>> last time that these didn't count
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Yes. We will have to document that to the webmaster
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> - I get an HTTP 403 error on
> > >>>> http://www.nhs.uk/aboutnhschoices/contactus/pages/freedom-of-
> > >>>> information.aspx - but this resolves fine for me in my browser!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Yes, there are sites that put in obstacles for robots. As long
> as
> > >>>> this is documented that it works...
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Once we're happy that the UCR document is in its final state,
> > I'll
> > >>>> run though this process again ... it didn't take very long.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> But we should merge it to the main branch, and not keep it in
> the
> > >>>> separate one. The whole purpose is that whatever changes you do
> > >>>> should be there once and for all and you would not have to
> repeat
> > >>>> them next
> > >>>> time:-)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Also, I'd appreciate an experienced assessment on the things
> > >>>>> that
> > >>>> PubRules says I need to manually verify. Most of them seem OK -
> > but
> > >>>> what do I know!?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I will do that next week.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Ivan
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Best Regards, Jeremy
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> PS. I've added a few amendments to the [publishing process][6]
> > >>>>> to
> > >>>> explain how to use the RawGit service.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks! We and others will, hopefully profit from it...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I can contact the webmaster with an agreement for the 1st of
> > >>>> July, but I have to know whether the UCR is the only document to
> > >>>> be published on that day!
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Ivan
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> [1]:
> > >>>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-csv-
> > wg/2014Jun/0131.htm
> > >>>>> l
> > >>>>> [2]:
> > >>>>> https://rawgit.com/w3c/csvw/pwd-ucr/publishing-snapshots/WD-
> ucr-
> > >> 2014
> > >>>>> -
> > >>>> 0
> > >>>>> 7-01/Overview.html
> > >>>>> [3]:
> > >>>>> https://rawgit.com/w3c/csvw/pwd-ucr/publishing-snapshots/WD-
> ucr-
> > >> 2014
> > >>>>> -
> > >>>> 0
> > >>>>> 7-01/diff-20140327.html
> > >>>>> [4]: http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules
> > >>>>> [5]:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > http://services.w3.org/xslt?xmlfile=http%3A%2F%2Fservices.w3.org%2Fti
> > >>>> d
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > y%2Ftidy%3FdocAddr%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Frawgit.com%252Fw3c%252Fcsvw%
> > >>>> 2
> > >>>>> 52Fpwd-ucr%252Fpublishing-snapshots%252FWD-ucr-2014-07-
> > >>>> 01%252FOverview
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > .html&xslfile=http%3A%2F%2Fservices.w3.org%2Fxslt%3Fxmlfile%3Dhttp%3A
> > >>>> %
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > 2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2005%2F07%2Fpubrules%253Fuimode%253Dchecker_full%25
> > >>>> 2
> > >>>>> 6year%253D2014%2526docstatus%253Dord-wd-
> > >>>> tr%2526rectrack%253Dyes%2526pr
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > evrec%253Dnone%2526patpol%253Dw3c%2526normative%253Dyes%2526uri%253Dh
> > >>>> t
> > >>>>>
> > tps%25253A%25252F%25252Frawgit.com%25252Fw3c%25252Fcsvw%25252Fpwd-
> > >>>> ucr%
> > >>>>> 25252Fpublishing-snapshots%25252FWD-ucr-2014-07-
> > >>>> 01%25252FOverview.html
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > %2526filterValues%253D%2526nscheckmanual%253D%2526display%253Dall%252
> > >>>> 6
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > recursive%253Doff%2526recurse_auth%253Don%26xslfile%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fww
> > >>>> w
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > .w3.org%2F2005%2F09%2Fchecker%2Fframe.xsl%26display%3Dall%26recurse_a
> > >>>> u
> > >>>>>
> > th%3Don&uimode=checker_full&filterValues=&year=2014&docstatus=ord-
> > >> wd
> > >>>>> -
> > >>>> t
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > r&rectrack=yes&prevrec=none&patpol=w3c&normative=yes&doc_uri=https%3A
> > >>>> %
> > >>>>> 2F%2Frawgit.com%2Fw3c%2Fcsvw%2Fpwd-ucr%2Fpublishing-
> > snapshots%2FWD
> > >>>>> -
> > >>>> ucr
> > >>>>> -2014-07-
> > >>>> 01%2FOverview.html&recursive=off&nscheckmanual=&display=all&r
> > >>>>> ecurse_auth=on
> > >>>>> [6]: https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-
> > >> pages/publishing_process.md
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> From: Dan Brickley [mailto:danbri@google.com]
> > >>>>>> Sent: 19 June 2014 19:58
> > >>>>>> To: Tandy, Jeremy
> > >>>>>> Cc: Ivan Herman; Jeni Tennison; Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin;
> > >>>>>> W3C CSV on the Web Working Group
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-
> > cases-
> > >>>> and-
> > >>>>>> requirements
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 19 June 2014 16:02, Tandy, Jeremy
> > >>>>>> <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Hi Ivan -
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I've created the new ucr WD on a new branch: pwd-ucr ...
> > because
> > >> I
> > >>>>>> didn't want to confuse things by publishing early wrt the W3C
> > >>>>>> publishing regime.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I've got up to step 4.vii of the [publishing process][1] but
> > >>>> because
> > >>>>>> I am not on gh-pages branch I can't push my new Overview.html
> > >>>>>> to a publically accessible web server in order to run the W3C
> > >>>>>> pub rules checker.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> There's a service at rawgit.com that seems useful, for short-
> > term
> > >>>> low
> > >>>>>> traffic use. I pasted
> > >>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-pages/use-
> > >>>>>> cases-and-requirements/index.html into their "development"
> form
> > >>>>>> and get:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> https://rawgit.com/w3c/csvw/gh-pages/use-cases-and-
> > >>>>>> requirements/index.html
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I tried that in pubrules checker
> > >> http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules
> > >>>>>> and
> > >>>>>> got:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Using org.apache.xerces.parsers.SAXParser
> > >>>>>> Exception net.sf.saxon.trans.XPathException:
> > >>>>>> org.xml.sax.SAXParseException; systemId:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > http://services.w3.org/tidy/tidy?docAddr=https%3A%2F%2Frawgit.com%2Fw
> > >>>>>> 3c
> > >>>>>> %2Fcsvw%2Fgh-pages%2Fuse-cases-and-requirements%2Findex.html;
> > >>>>>> lineNumber: 11; columnNumber: 149; An invalid XML character
> > >>>> (Unicode:
> > >>>>>> 0x1b) was found in the element content of the document.
> > >>>>>> org.xml.sax.SAXParseException; systemId:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > http://services.w3.org/tidy/tidy?docAddr=https%3A%2F%2Frawgit.com%2Fw
> > >>>>>> 3c
> > >>>>>> %2Fcsvw%2Fgh-pages%2Fuse-cases-and-requirements%2Findex.html;
> > >>>>>> lineNumber: 11; columnNumber: 149; An invalid XML character
> > >>>> (Unicode:
> > >>>>>> 0x1b) was found in the element content of the document.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Would you just recommend that I merge in the changes with gh-
> > >> pages
> > >>>>>> branch and get on with the process?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Many thanks, Jeremy
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> [1]: https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-
> > >>>> pages/publishing_process.md
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>>>> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
> > >>>>>>>> Sent: 19 June 2014 11:37
> > >>>>>>>> To: Tandy, Jeremy; Jeni Tennison
> > >>>>>>>> Cc: Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; W3C CSV on the Web Working
> > >>>>>>>> Group; Dan Brickley
> > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-
> > >> cases-
> > >>>>>> and-
> > >>>>>>>> requirements
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On 19 Jun 2014, at 10:23 , Tandy, Jeremy
> > >>>>>>>> <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Ivan: """Tuesday 1st of July is our best option"""
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> I'm happy with this for next PWD release.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Would this be also a date for publishing the two other
> > >>>>>>>> (model,
> > >>>>>>>> metadata) documents, or do we want to do an independent
> > >>>> publishing?
> > >>>>>>>> (Both are fine with me, but we should decide).
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Jeremy, can you try to go through the publishing process, as
> > >>>>>>>> described in the archive? I hope that would work...
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Ivan
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Jeremy
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>>>>>> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
> > >>>>>>>>>> Sent: 18 June 2014 17:13
> > >>>>>>>>>> To: Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; Tandy, Jeremy
> > >>>>>>>>>> Cc: W3C CSV on the Web Working Group; Dan Brickley
> > >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish
> use-
> > >>>> cases-
> > >>>>>>>> and-
> > >>>>>>>>>> requirements
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> On 18 Jun 2014, at 15:33 , Dan Brickley
> <danbri@google.com>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> <skip/>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Next steps: UCR editors, can you wrap up any outstanding
> > >>>> tweaks,
> > >>>>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>>>> liaise with Ivan to get a publication date scheduled?
> > >>>>>>>>>>> (please copy
> > >>>>>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>>>> list on these details)
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Publishing happens on tuesdays and thursdays. It always
> > >> require
> > >>>>>>>>>> some preparation and also an agreement with the webmaster
> > (to
> > >>>> put
> > >>>>>>>>>> this into his schedule). Note also what I wrote down after
> > >>>>>>>>>> the previous
> > >>>>>>>> round:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-
> > >> pages/publishing_process.md
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> which helps in speeding things up.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> As far as my schedule is concerned, I am free next week
> > >> Tuesday
> > >>>>>>>>>> (24th), but I am not really available for the rest of this
> > >> week
> > >>>>>> (I
> > >>>>>>>> am
> > >>>>>>>>>> currently in Oslo for a conference, traveling back on
> > >>>>>>>>>> Friday),
> > >>>> so
> > >>>>>>>>>> this may be tight. I am not available on the 26th. I am
> > >>>> available
> > >>>>>>>>>> on the first two weeks of July both on Tuesdays and
> > Thursdays.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> My feeling is that the Tuesday 1st of July is our best
> > >>>>>>>>>> option,
> > >>>> at
> > >>>>>>>>>> least from my side (ie, if you can finalize the documents
> > >>>>>>>>>> by
> > >>>>>> then)
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Would that work?
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Would we also want to schedule the two other documents for
> > >> that
> > >>>>>>>>>> date (model and metadata)? Note that we need an explicit
> WG
> > >>>>>>>>>> resolution
> > >>>>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>>> a request for an official 'short name' for the latter,
> > >>>>>>>>>> because that is a first public draft. (In case you wonder:
> > >>>>>>>>>> all this
> > >>>> admin
> > >>>>>>>>>> around the first draft is mainly necessary for the
> > management
> > >>>>>>>>>> of Patent
> > >>>>>>>> Policies.
> > >>>>>>>>>> The world would be simpler if we did not have to deal with
> > >>>>>>>>>> that...)
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Cheers
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Ivan
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> chairs,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Dan
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> ----
> > >>>>>>>>>> Ivan Herman, W3C
> > >>>>>>>>>> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
> > >>>>>>>>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
> > >>>>>>>>>> mobile: +31-641044153
> > >>>>>>>>>> GPG: 0x343F1A3D
> > >>>>>>>>>> WebID: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf#me
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> ----
> > >>>>>>>> Ivan Herman, W3C
> > >>>>>>>> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
> > >>>>>>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
> > >>>>>>>> mobile: +31-641044153
> > >>>>>>>> GPG: 0x343F1A3D
> > >>>>>>>> WebID: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf#me
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ----
> > >>>> Ivan Herman, W3C
> > >>>> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
> > >>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
> > >>>> mobile: +31-641044153
> > >>>> GPG: 0x343F1A3D
> > >>>> WebID: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf#me
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----
> > >> Ivan Herman, W3C
> > >> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
> > >> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
> > >> mobile: +31-641044153
> > >> GPG: 0x343F1A3D
> > >> WebID: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf#me
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ----
> > Ivan Herman, W3C
> > Digital Publishing Activity Lead
> > Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
> > mobile: +31-641044153
> > GPG: 0x343F1A3D
> > WebID: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf#me
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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