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Re: p1-message-07 S 7.1.4

From: Adrien de Croy <adrien@qbik.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:39:24 +1200
Message-ID: <4A64111C.6030003@qbik.com>
To: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
CC: Henrik Nordstrom <henrik@henriknordstrom.net>, HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>

is this for backbone and infrastructure traffic you mean?

In which case, removing spam would be a good start.  Effectively at 
least double the width of all pipes.

I would have thought slow-startup algorithms would also work against the 
advantage of opening too many connections.  Also, download managers 
generally do multiple simultaneous range requests.  The more parts you 
request, the more request/response overhead reduces your throughput, so 
there's an incentive not to go over the top there as well.


Mark Nottingham wrote:
> AIUI, because of the way that TCP congestion control works, the impact 
> is not just on the server -- it's also on the intervening network 
> itself (because congestion control tries to be fair to applications on 
> a per-connection basis, so someone opening lots of connections can 
> crowd out others when the network starts to get congested).
>
> As such, it isn't a simple economic relationship -- there's no natural 
> incentive for clients to not hog shared network resources. This is why 
> the HTTP spec imposes an artificial limit that clients have largely 
> respected (at least generally).
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> On 20/07/2009, at 4:08 PM, Adrien de Croy wrote:
>
>>> OTOH, I also think completely removing limitations isn't good 
>>> practice either, because there are still networks out there where 
>>> congestion is a problem, and having an app open multiple TCP 
>>> connections (as many "download accelerators" do) to hog resources 
>>> isn't good for the long-term health of the Internet either.
>> even a download accelerator that opens dozens of connections isn't 
>> necessarily a problem.
>>
>> It's kinda like market-driven economics vs socialism.
>>
>> If the supplier can't keep up with demand, they have the option to 
>> increase supply.  Do we want to take away that option by choking the 
>> clients?
>>
>> I guess in the end, this is all only a SHOULD level recommendation.  
>> Maybe also then add "clients that implement a connection limit SHOULD 
>> also provide a mechanism to configure the limit".
>>
>> Cheers
>
>
> -- 
> Mark Nottingham     http://www.mnot.net/
>

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