- From: Jeni Tennison <jeni@jenitennison.com>
- Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:38:36 +0100
- To: Rainer Becker <r.becker@Nitro-Software.com>
- CC: "'xmlschema-dev@w3.org'" <xmlschema-dev@w3.org>
Hi Rainer, >>> (1) Would you agree, that the fixed-attribute is useless >>> in connection with length? >> >>Yes. > > Okay, to go go a step further, this should be regarded as an error > in the spec? I wouldn't view it as an error. Nothing breaks if you use the fixed attribute on xs:length, and I don't think people are likely to get confused by what it does; just because it has no purpose doesn't mean it's an error. To my mind, the fixed attribute *in general* is completely unnecessary and confusing, but that doesn't make it an error. >>> (2) What good is length anyways, is there a reason, why >>> XML Schema 1.1 should still use it? >> >>It's only a shorthand for setting minLength and maxLength to the >>same value, I think, but in some cases that shorthand feels more >>natural. I don't see any big reason to drop it. > > In my opinion, it causes misunderstandings, that are not necessary. > May sound a bit harsh, but I would favour dropping it ;-). I don't agree, but send your comment along to www-xml-schema-comments@w3.org; perhaps the WG will, especially if you illustrate some of the misunderstandings that arise from having an xs:length facet in addition to the minLength and maxLength facets. >>> I see, that the fixed-attribute on minLength und maxLength is >>> vitally important. >> >>Personally, I don't see the purpose of the fixed attribute anywhere (I >>know what it does, just can't conceive of a situation in which it's a >>useful thing to do). If you could provide a use-case, I'd really >>appreciate it... > > Yes, Jeni, vitally important was a bit exaggerated. Sorry for that. > Thinking about an use-case I get the notion of a password-type > (maybe with some sort of special feature ) in a schema, that serves > as a base for derived types. A fixed-attribute on minLength would > make sense, in order to prevent a user to derive a type by > restriction, that would allow a password with less than the > minLength value. Any use-case I can possibly think of goes in the > direction, how to protect a base type.... Sure, but when you restrict the password type, the restricted type can't have a minLength that's *less than* the password's minLength in any case. The same goes for any other facet -- if a value is valid for a simple type, then it *must* be valid for its base type, by definition. The fixed attribute would allow you to prevent people from deriving types in which the minLength facet is *more than* the base minLength facet, but I just can't think of a time when that would be useful. Perhaps you can think of another use case? Cheers, Jeni --- Jeni Tennison http://www.jenitennison.com/
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