- From: Rick JELLIFFE <ricko@geotempo.com>
- Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:31:13 -0400 (EDT)
- To: xml-uri@w3.org
We cannot expect Microsoft and others who use relative NS identifiers to stop using them unless the new solution allows them comparable functionality. Relative NS identifiers are used, apparantly, to locate schemas. I don't think it can work merely to say (with Tim Bray) that because a relative NS has neither persistence nor uniqueness it is no good as a NS identifier. Not because Tim is incorrect, but because the relative NS URIs are not being primarily used here for naming but as schema locators. Nor will it work to keep on avoiding this issue: if Tim BL thinks the architecture of the WWW should involve directly dereferencing namespace identifiers to get schemas, then he should put it up as a formal proposition and either get it voted on by W3C or declare it by fiat for W3C technology. The Schema WG has not gone down this route. The reasons are 1) performance 2) it is not the XML Schemas job to say what a NS URI resolves to. If we are talking about the semantic web, it is quite likely that the namespace URI should not resolve to an XML schema anyway. Perhaps it should resolve to some RDF description or schema. If it must resolve to an XML Schema, that is not the "semantic" web but the "type-based web": we would know that something is a date but not what it is a date of or for. This is an architectural failure at the W3C. What is needed is 1) A revision of the namespace wRECk to add a mechanism where W3C WGs can define well-known relative URIs which, when appended to the NS identifier, give standard locations for various kinds of schemas and information. For example, to find schemas and DTDs, RDF schemas, default stylesheets, WAI-specific stylesheets, editing tools, etc. Each WG should define the appropriate well-known relative URL for locating the kinds of resources they deal in, relative to a NS identifier: for example, the HTML WG could specify various locations for the various DTDs and schemas and WAI schemas for XHTML, the NS URI for HTML being the root for these. 2) Non-NS-identifier-based mechanisms for locating document resources. For example, the XML Schema WG schema location mechanism and the stylesheet PI allow retrieval of document resources from locations not controlled by the body in whose domain the namespace URI participates. (Some XLink-based mechanism, perhaps.) So this failure in architecture comes from a failure in policy: that before you make a markup or stylesheet language for a particular application domain, you need to set in place the architecture to support it. This applies to XML Schema just as much as RDF or stylesheets. Microsoft uses relative NS identifiers to retrieve schemas because the W3C has failed to provide any other mechanism for retrieving schemas. How wise James Clark was to push ahead with the stylesheet PI! We have in the Web a beautiful tree, where IP packets can specify TCP or whatever, and TCP can specify HTTP or whatever, and can HTTP specify the MIME type or whatever, and the MIME handler registry can specify the XML application to be used or whatever: but when we get to supposedly extensible XML, we suddenly halt. We can specify different DTDs (thanks to SGML) and different stylesheets (thanks to James Clark) but can we specify anything else (except privately)? No, suddenly we go from a thriving world based on allowing a plurality into a void or dead-end. I think this comes from the idea that there should be one single schema language and one single stylesheet language and so on, which some people have. It might be argued that this kind of extensible mechanism just plays into the hands of large monopolizing companies: on the contrary, not having any mechanism guarantees home-made solutions (such as the current relative NS issue.) The relative namespace issue is a symptom not the disease. It needs more than a bandaid (which is not to deny that it at least needs a bandaid.) Rick Jelliffe Academia Sinica Computing Centre
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