- From: Sam Hunting <sam_hunting@yahoo.com>
- Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:06:01 -0700 (PDT)
- To: michaelm@netsol.com, David Carlisle <david@dcarlisle.demon.co.uk>
- Cc: xml-uri@w3.org
Taking off from what Michael Mealling and David Carlisle have written-- Here is a sketch for amending the Namespaces specification: <clause> <production> [19] NSresolution ::= prefix ':resolution' s 'none | relative | absolute' s "'none'" </production> <para> Where the namespace denoted by prefix has a resolution attribute of 'relative', either relative or absolute URIs can appear as the value of that namespace declaration. Where that namespace's resolution attribute is 'absolute', it is a non-recoverable namespace error for any URI other than an absolute URI to appear as the value of that namespace declaration. <note> "non-recoverable" = "Draconian" </note> <note> It is never a namespace error for any reference, either absolute or relative, to fail. </note> <note> A namespace where no resolution attribute has been declared has an implicit resolution strategy of 'none'. </note> <note> Only those namespaces whose resolution is 'none', implicitly as in the note above, or explicitly, conform to the Namespaces 1.0 Recommendation. </note> </clause> Example: <x xmlns:n1="http://www.w3.org" xmlns="http://www.w3.org" > <good a="1" n1:a="2" n1:resolution="none"/> </x> Just a sketch, and I hold no brief whatever for the syntax. ([19] is really just an instance of [18].) The important thing to me is the principle. It is apparent that no consensus on a single namespace resolution strategy is forthcoming. Therefore, let people make the choice that is best for them, have them be explicit about the choice, and set a reasonable default (in this case, the only un-tendentious interpretation of the original namespace specification). > > No. Namespaces are not broken, and don't need fixing. If they are broken, it is not for the reasons discussed on this thread. > > So the following facts about namespaces should remain true after > > any re-issue of the namespace spec. > > > > * Namespaces are not "defined" they are just used (declared) in > > document instances. > > Yep... Still true with proposed production [19]. > > * The namespace name is a URI reference (or URI or URI + fragment > id > > if one of the possible, but unfortunate, changes is made). > > The existence or not of a resource at the URI used as the > namespace > > name is immaterial to all namespace processing. (Although some > > process following the xml namespace parse may of course > dereference > > the name as a URI if it cares to do so) > > Yep... Still true with proposed production [19]. > > <foobar xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/Markup/XHTML"/> > > is a well formed XML document that conforms to the namespace > spec. Still true with proposed production [19]. > > Schema validation sits above namespace parsing, it is not an > > integral part of it. Still possible with proposed production [19]. > > All namespaces have identical structure (which is why they don't > > need to be defined anywhere) No longer true, but since the community can't achieve consensus on a single semantic, it seems reasonable to surrendur on this point. In my view, it's more important that no documents break than that all namespaces have identical structure. > > The existence of a schema (or in the case of xhtml, several > > schema) > > using elements from the namespace does not alter the namespace at > all. > > Yep... Still true with proposed production [19]. > > * Users can choose a unique namespace name for namespaces they want > to > > use without requiring a central registry, or owning an internet > > domain name. Still true with proposed production [19]. > Besides, domain-names violate the persistence requirement. But yes, > you want decentralized assignment... > > > * Exiting namespace names which are absolute URI possibly with > > fragment id remain valid. (and don't require any particular > > format of file to be placed at the URI) Still true with proposed production [19]. > > * Namespace parsing never requires the retrieval of any external > > resource. > > Yep... True with the default semantic of proposed production [19]. > Agreed with all of this. The issue with those of us who want to > build something on top of this is that the XML namespace 'name' > shouldn't prevent someone from attempting to resolve it. Possible with either the relative or absolute resolution strategy. > Allowing > a relative URI without a BASE is an error and thus makes it so that > the namespace 'name' prevents someone from attempting to resolve it. Hope this helps out.... S. ===== <? "To imagine a language is to imagine a form of life." -- Ludwig Wittgenstein, Philosophical Investigations ?> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com
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