- From: Jacek Kopecky <jacek@systinet.com>
- Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 16:25:26 +0100 (CET)
- To: Martin Gudgin <marting@develop.com>
- cc: XML Protocol Discussion <xml-dist-app@w3.org>
Gudge, replies inside. 8-)
Jacek Kopecky
Senior Architect, Systinet (formerly Idoox)
http://www.systinet.com/
On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Martin Gudgin wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jacek Kopecky" <jacek@systinet.com>
> Subject: Re: The reason for roots?
>
> > the problem is that in SOAP 1.1 serialization rules would say
> > that C must be serialized "as an independent element on top level
> > of serialization" because it has multiple references to it.
>
> MUST be or MAY be?
In SOAP 1.1, MUST (except for strings and arrays of bytes, I
think).
> > In SOAP 1.2 we haven't forbidden this, although we don't talk
> > about this any more (so if somebody started from reading SOAP
> > 1.2, they would not even think of serializing something
> > out-of-line).
>
> Agreed, although I could add a clause into section 3.1.1 stating how
> out-of-line serialization would work
Yes, which would reintroduce the explicit statements from SOAP
1.1, maybe lessening the MUST above to MAY. Do we want to
reintroduce this complexity?
> > Now if non-roots (non-serialization-roots, that is) can be
> > anywhere in the message, not just as descendant EIIs of a
> > serialization root, we have to mark some of them. SOAP 1.1 took
> > the approach of marking the non-roots that appear somewhere
> > funky, but this was not crisp enough. So we can either mandate
> > marking the roots or the non-roots. We chose roots.
> > Oh, BTW, I thought my graph below has two roots (according to
> > your original definition), not zero.
>
> No. It has no root because of rule 2
> There is no way to get from A to B or B to A. Remember it is a *directed*
> graph.
OK, I understand.
> Still not convinced we need the notion of root at all in the encoding...
If we allow some people to serialize stuff out-of-line, we must
say where to put these out-of-line non-serialization-roots and
how to know which is which.
I'm quite OK with the current rewrite's version which disallows
that out-of-line serialization, thus obviating the root
attribute. Oh, I think that should go from the rewrite if we
don't reintroduce the out-of-line serialization.
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