- From: <noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 10:37:44 -0500
- To: "Martin Gudgin" <marting@develop.com>
- Cc: xml-dist-app@w3.org
Thanks for reminding me of this. As you say, it provides a useful middle
ground solution. The case that it seems not to hit completely is one
where there is a derived simple type is to be referenced. I suppose the
direction should be that those wishing to use derived simple types in SOAP
do the same thing we did: create wrapper complex types. That kind of
muddles things like type identity, and I don't think it's a first-class
approach, but it's probably a reasonable compromise. Either that, or the
"graphnode" element that I proposed. I think graphnode is a bit
architecturally stronger, the status quo is a bit easier to encode, and
represents minimal disruption to the existing SOAP design. Either way
is OK with me. Thanks.
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"Martin Gudgin" <marting@develop.com>
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03/01/2002 04:21 AM
To: <noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com>, <xml-dist-app@w3.org>
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Subject: Re: xsi:type for multiref targets.
----- Original Message -----
From: <noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com>
To: <xml-dist-app@w3.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 4:16 PM
Subject: xsi:type for multiref targets.
> In the course of preparing to fulfill the action item that Gudge and I
took
> to write up the clarification of xsi:type, the following possible issue
> occurred to me.
>
> If I remember correctly, our idiom for multirefs is:
>
> <target id="x">somevalue</target>
> <edgename href="x"/>
> <edgename2 href="x"/>
>
> This gives you one node, of indeterminate type, with edges named
> "edgename1" and "edgename2'.
>
> Now, let's say you want to type the node as an integer:
>
> <target id="x" xsi:type="xsd:integer">25</target>
> <edgename href="x"/>
> <edgename2 href="x"/>
>
> Well, that doesn't work! The element named target is not of type
integer,
> because it has an attribute (id=").
That's why in the encoding schema[1] we define types with id and ref
attrs.
So the correct serialization would be ( playing fast and loose with
namespaces... );
<target id="x" xsi:type="enc:integer">25</target>
<edgename href="x"/>
<edgename2 href="x"/>
> Unless I'm missing something, this is
> a serious problem, and we should open an issue.
I don't think we need to. But maybe we should call this out in the text
and
refer to the encoding schema[1]
> This also provents
> explicitly supplying xsi:type="xsd:string" on a multiref node, which I
> think is a common case.
>
> Proposed Solution
> ----------------------
>
> Introduce a new wrapper element (name TBD) along the following lines:
>
> <soapenv:graphnode id="x">
> <target xsi:type="xsd:integer">25</target>
> </soapenv:graphnode>
> <edgename href="x"/>
> <edgename2 href="x"/>
>
> The soapenv:graphnode element would serve only to carry the id. It
would
> not create a node separate from its child (it's not a one element
> structure); it and its child form one node. So, in the example, the
graph
> is identical to the first one in this note, except that it has type
> xsd:integer and a value of 3.
I quite like this approach although I'm not sure it's necessary. If people
*really* want to use xsd:integer and can't face using enc:integer then
this
is a sensible direction to explore. I do realise that the enc:xxx approach
messes up our minimal schema approach.
> I'm on the fence as to whether use of the
> graphnode wrapper would be required on all multiref targets, or just
> available as an option for use when xsi:type is an issue. Comments?
If we do it this way, I would prefer to mandate it for multiref targets.
Gudge
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