- From: Jacek Kopecky <jacek@systinet.com>
- Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:23:52 +0100 (CET)
- To: Simon Fell <soap@zaks.demon.co.uk>
- cc: <xml-dist-app@w3.org>
Simon, please see my replies in line.
Jacek Kopecky
Senior Architect, Systinet (formerly Idoox)
http://www.systinet.com/
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Simon Fell wrote:
> > Part 1 rules out defaulted attributes for the attributes it
> >specifies, i.e. actor and mustUnderstand and encodingStyle, I
> >think. IMO Encoding can allow defaulted attributes because it is
> >an extension of SOAP. I doubt SOAP can forbid every extension and
> >application to use defaulted attributes.
>
> Part 1 [section 3.1] is pretty clearly referring to the whole message
> "A SOAP message MUST NOT impose any XML schema processing (assessment
> and validation) requirement on the part of any receiving SOAP node.
> Therefore, SOAP REQUIRES that all attribute information items, whether
> specified in this specification or whether they belong to a foreign
> namespace be caried in the serialized SOAP envelope."
Hmmm, I think you got a point here, one I don't know how to
solve.
> > In fact, itemType can be helpful if you don't use a schema and
> >you receive an array and you want to start deserializing it,
> >especially if the array members are polymorph - it would be
> >necessary to read the whole XML representation of the array in
> >memory before you knew the supertype of the array members. BTW,
> >use of itemType is optional. 8-)
>
> whether you're using a Schema or not is irrelevant, SOAP allows for
> type information to be in external metadata, that metadata can convey
> array item type information just as well other type information, why
> make things more complex having that information optionally in the
> message in a non-standard way. Its just as easy to say
> <foo><item>5</item></foo> and have metadata that says foo is an array
> of xsd:int as <foo>5</foo> and have metadata that say's foo is an
> xsd:int, what's the difference ?
SOAP does indeed allow for type information to be in external
metadata, but it does not require that nodes be able to handle
such metadata. In a node that does not follow a schema (nor any
other kind of such metadata) the itemType attribute may be
useful, as described above. It is not even much of a burden for
the receiver because it need not support this attribute.
I'm all for removing stuff that does cause unnecessary burden on
some communicating parties, in this case I think the criterion is
not met.
Jacek
Received on Wednesday, 6 February 2002 04:23:56 UTC