- From: Mick Goulish <michael.goulish@softwareag-usa.com>
- Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:54:39 -0400
- To: <www-xml-schema-comments@w3.org>
- Cc: "Papageno List" <papageno-l@pccss3.software-ag.de>
- Message-ID: <002b01bfc683$0ff393e0$910ca8c0@www.ameritech.net>
Ladies and Gentlemen of the Schema Working Group -- Please allow me to introduce myself briefly. I am a developer working for Software AG, speaking on their behalf and at their request. I have been a full time software developer for 16 years. Before that I received a master's degree in computer science as well as a bachelor's degree in English language and literature. I am new to the world of XML and have no prior experience with SGML. Since mid-February I have nevertheless managed to write a functioning prototype, in C, of an XML parser for the full grammar. I expect to be doing partial validation of documents shortly. A wise man recently told me that the success of an idea depends upon its ability to propagate. I humbly suggest that I am highly representative of the population you need to persuade in order to propagate XML Schema. I am eager to do my part in that process. Unfortunately, after studying "XML Schema Part 1: Structures", I do not feel confident that I can use it to produce an implementation. In fact, I'm still not sure quite where to start. I feel that the Schema Spec needs a substantial and thorough rewrite to make it usable by implementers like myself. I find the organization strategy opaque and the prose turgid. I regret that I can't suggest specific improvements (I have never been a spec-writer), but I can make two general observations about documents that did work well for me. 1. The XML 1.0 spec was organized around the language's grammar productions -- something I understand and need as an implementer. This also had the effect of allowing me to focus on relevant (to me) detail in my first passes through that spec, and add more detail as needed it and was able to. The Schema Spec seems to make that kind of reading difficult. 2. Murata-san's Relax document is deliberately tutorial. Reading it gives the impression that he is concerned with the propagation of his idea as seriously as he is concerned with its careful specification. The Schema Spec, by contrast, seems solely concerned with specification that is careful to a fault. There seems to be little regard for issues of clarity, gradual understandability, and so on. I remember Henry Thompson's comment at a Town Hall meeting at XTech 2000 that the sort of explication I want should simply be taken on by some of us in the audience. It would be up to us to write "XML Schema for Idiots". I can't disagree with that attitude strongly enough. The Spec must stand on its own as a clear and useful explication, or the books will never arrive. Also, Henry mentioned that he and a colleague had already managed to implement three-quarters or so of the Schema functionality in just a couple part-time months, "and not the easiest three-quarters." But Mr. Thompson's implementation experience seems like a mighty poor predictor of Schema's ease of propagation. With his prior level of knowledge and experience -- I don't think there are enough of him. There *are*, on the other hand, enough of me -- but this Spec just leaves too much work for me to do. Instead, I will go to an alternative technology like Relax, which I was able to understand easily -- enough to get started with -- in a couple of hours. In its current form, I fear that the XML Schema Spec will act as a filter rather than as a pump. -------------------------------------------------------- Mick .
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