- From: Liu, Kevin <kevin.liu@sap.com>
- Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:28:28 -0700
- To: "Rogers, Tony" <Tony.Rogers@ca.com>, "Jonathan Marsh" <jmarsh@microsoft.com>, "Hugo Haas" <hugo@w3.org>
- Cc: <www-ws-desc@w3.org>
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Tony, Thanks. I like your friendly amendments. Best Regards, Kevin ________________________________ From: www-ws-desc-request@w3.org [mailto:www-ws-desc-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Rogers, Tony Sent: Tuesday, Sep 20, 2005 4:17 PM To: Liu, Kevin; Jonathan Marsh; Hugo Haas Cc: www-ws-desc@w3.org Subject: RE: Proposal for LC303 (was: What are the exemptions for use of IRI? ) As a card-carrying pedant, I must urge the use of the word "simplicity" rather than "simplification", as the second word of the second paragraph. I suggest replacing "you might want to" with "you might care to" in the second sentence of the same paragraph - yeah, yeah, "wordsmithing" (but I AM a wordsmith!). I like this change - it is simple and clear - these are good properties for a standard, and particularly a primer. Tony Rogers tony.rogers@ca.com <blocked::mailto:tony.rogers@ca.com> ________________________________ From: www-ws-desc-request@w3.org [mailto:www-ws-desc-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Liu, Kevin Sent: Wednesday, 21 September 2005 9:10 To: Jonathan Marsh; Hugo Haas Cc: www-ws-desc@w3.org Subject: Proposal for LC303 (was: What are the exemptions for use of IRI? ) If that's the case, I propose to add the following paragraph to the end of section 1.3 "Notational Conventions" The core specification of WSDL 2.0 supports Internationalized Resource Identifiers or IRIs [add reference to http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3987 <http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3987> <http://www.w3.org/International/articles/idn-and-iri/> ]. IRIs are a superset of URIs with added support for internationalization. The URI syntax [add reference to http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3986 <http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3986> ] only allows the use of a small set of characters, including upper and lower case letters of the English alphabet, European numerals and a few symbols. IRIs allow the use of characters from a wider range of language scripts. For simplification, examples throughout this primer only use URIs. If you are interested in the use of IRIs, you might want to read the paper [add reference to http://www.w3.org/International/articles/idn-and-iri/ <http://www.w3.org/International/articles/idn-and-iri/> ] prepared by the W3C Internationalization Activity [add link to http://www.w3.org/International/ <http://www.w3.org/International/> ]. Alternatively, If people are concerned that use of IRI is not really a "notational convention", we may add a subsection under "Introduction" for "Use of URI and IRI" with the same content as above. The new structure of section 1 now looks like 1. Introduction <http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-wsdl20-primer-20050803/#Introduction> 1.1 Prerequisites <http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-wsdl20-primer-20050803/#Prerequisites> 1.2 Structure of this Primer <http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-wsdl20-primer-20050803/#PrimerStructure> 1.3 Use of URI and IRI <http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-wsdl20-primer-20050803/#notation> 1.4 Notational Conventions <http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-wsdl20-primer-20050803/#notation> 2. WSDL 2.0 Basics <http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-wsdl20-primer-20050803/#basics> ... Best Regards, Kevin ________________________________ From: Jonathan Marsh [mailto:jmarsh@microsoft.com] Sent: Tuesday, Sep 20, 2005 7:50 AM To: Liu, Kevin; Hugo Haas Cc: www-ws-desc@w3.org Subject: RE: What are the exemptions for use of IRI? IIRC, the WG was not prepared to do a global search and replace of URI for IRI in the primer, as URIs are a familiar concept and in almost all cases in the Primer the term is good enough. Having one statement pointing out that our use of URI instead of IRI is a simplification should be sufficient. We can confirm this on this week's call if I've misrepresented the WG's decision. ________________________________ From: Liu, Kevin [mailto:kevin.liu@sap.com] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 5:25 PM To: Hugo Haas; Jonathan Marsh Cc: www-ws-desc@w3.org Subject: What are the exemptions for use of IRI? Hi Hugo, Hi Jonathan, While working on proposing changes to the primer to implement your suggestions in LC303 [1], I realize that we may also need to do a global search in the Primer to replace the term URI with IRI to be consistent with the core spec, in addition to adding a brief introduction to IRI as you suggested. However, I notice that the resolution of LC74a [2] , which caused the URI to IRI changes in Part 1 and 2, contains a few exemptions. The resolution of LC74a says <quote>Change URI to IRI throughout except URI attr and prop on featiures and properties and SOAP module, which becomes "ref"; exempt appendix E where we talk about namespace URIs, and section 4.11.2 in adjunct spec.</quote>. It's not clear to me what the last two exemptions really are since section "Appendix E" and "section 4.11.2 in adjunct specs" are completely changed/removed in the current version of the spec. In particular, * If I recall it right, the former Part 1 appendix E is now part of the Primer section 5.6 [3] which talks about namespace URIs. Does the exemption for "Appendix E" in LC74a mean that namespace URI should not be changed to IRI? if so, why? * I have no idea what the "adjunct section 4.11.2" was, do you know what the exemption for "section 4.11.2" is? [1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/5/lc-issues/#LC303 [2] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/issues.html#LC74a [3] http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-wsdl20-primer-20050803/#adv-notes-on-uris Best Regards, Kevin ________________________________ From: www-ws-desc-request@w3.org [mailto:www-ws-desc-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Marsh Sent: Thursday, Sep 08, 2005 10:00 AM To: www-ws-desc@w3.org Subject: Minutes, 8 Sep 2005 WS Description WG telcon Encl. -- Jonathan Marsh -- jmarsh@microsoft.com <mailto:jmarsh@microsoft.com> -- http://spaces.msn.com/members/auburnmarshes/ <http://spaces.msn.com/members/auburnmarshes/> --
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