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RE: Proposed resolution to LC 77a

From: David Orchard <dorchard@bea.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 07:36:32 -0700
Message-ID: <32D5845A745BFB429CBDBADA57CD41AF0EBD1ADE@ussjex01.amer.bea.com>
To: "Jonathan Marsh" <jmarsh@microsoft.com>, <www-ws-desc@w3.org>
I agree the complete solution does the namespace name, name.  I didn't propose a solution for this because of the complexity of serializing potentially multiple uri+string into a uri, and I thought it was outside of the 80/20 spot. Further, I thought the selection process for the particular encoding of the namespace name into the uri would be too daunting for members of the working group, but the prefix only might be feasible.  I would prefer a solution that supported both, aka a "simplified" with prefix and a "full" with namespace name.  I retain my belief that the simplified prefix only is in the 80/20( and maybe even 95/5) case for WSDL described URIs as the Service provider is specifying it's input types and it will probably be rare that unknown namespace names in content models will be used for queries.






From: www-ws-desc-request@w3.org [mailto:www-ws-desc-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Marsh
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 5:33 PM
To: David Orchard; www-ws-desc@w3.org
Subject: RE: Proposed resolution to LC 77a


Seems like the complete solution serializes the QName as  (URI, localName) pair rather than a (prefix, localName) pair.  Is there a reason you didn't propose an option for this as well (besides the fact that the resulting URI would be rather long, ugly, and opaque)?



From: www-ws-desc-request@w3.org [mailto:www-ws-desc-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of David Orchard
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 2:55 PM
To: www-ws-desc@w3.org
Subject: Proposed resolution to LC 77a


LC 77a roughly says there is no mechanism for namespaces to be specified or used in URIs according to application/x-www-form-urlencoded.  Nor is there any mention of what happens when qualified XML elements are encoded.
There are roughly 3 solutions for namespaces: 1) Disallow qualified elements, 2) allow qualified but ignore namespace names; 3) allow qualified and serialize namespace names.
Option #1
I think that the specification as it stands says #1, because 3.9.1 http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-wsdl20-bindings-20040803/#_operation_uri_style says " The sequence MUST contain only local element children".
However, this seems very unnatural to me.  All the examples that I did for the primer assume namespaces as the types were re-used.  The effect of this is that every type in the primer would have to be duplicated in a non-namespaced type.  Further the instance data would have to exist in the namespaced type.  If you wanted an application to deploy on soap over HTTP and directly over HTTP, you have to duplicate all the input types and data.  
Therefore, if my interpretation of the status quo is correct, I think this is really broken and the primer shows that.  
Option #3:
Many XML applications make use of namespaces.  As I mentioned in the binding of Qnames to URIs blog entry, http://www.pacificspirit.com/blog/2004/04/29/binding_qnames_to_uris, there are many ways of serializing qnames.  
I think the very simplest for WSDL is #16, where the ns decl is skipped.  Both sides have the WSDL, and when XML is serialized, the schema must have specified any namespaces associated with elements.  These namespaces are invarient from the interface perspective.  The simplest solution I can suggest is that the namespace prefix be included in the URI when a namespace prefix is in the instance data.  As an example, ns1, ns2, ns3 are defined in the wsdl.
is serialized as 
This can be achieved by:
Remove first sentence of section 3.9.1 bullet 3 ("The sequence MUST contain only local element children").  
Add to section  Qualified names (ie ns1:town or town) are serialized as they appear in the instance data, ie (ns1:town or town).
The downside to this is that the URIs are not fully self-describing, nor are the extensible.  If somebody wants to add some extra content, say ns4:timeOfDay, then there is no way for the receiver to "know" what the new namespace is.  However, this is for URI Queries, so it's unlikely that a Query would be able to process the ns4:timeOfDay without knowing about ns4 ahead of time.  
Option #2: ignore namespace prefix
Remove first sentence of section 3.9.1 bullet 3 ("The sequence MUST contain only local element children").  
Add to section  Qualified names (ie ns1:town) are serialized with only the local element name, ie (town).

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