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RE: plan for primer examples

From: David Booth <dbooth@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 10:57:28 -0400
To: "Liu, Kevin" <kevin.liu@sap.com>
Cc: 'Jonathan Marsh' <jmarsh@microsoft.com>, www-ws-desc@w3.org
Message-Id: <1097161048.3420.1091.camel@nc6000.w3.org>

Hi Kevin,

Sounds like a good idea on the diagrams.

Regarding your suggestion that we address more advanced topics in the
Primer, I think that might work if we're careful not to get into them
too deeply.  However, I'm a little hesitant to over commit and expand
our deliverables before we have the first public working draft out.

BTW, I'm thinking Oct 29 might work as a date for our first public
working draft of the Primer -- the week after the WS Constraints &
Capabilities workshop.  What do you think?  Would that date work for

I've been looking over the XML Schema Primer again, and I think it's a
good idea to try to model that approach more closely.  I'm working on
doing this.

On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 12:47, Liu, Kevin wrote:
> Hi David,
> Let's see how the examples best fit into different primer sections when I have the first draft.
> As a general comment, now I think we should try best to make our primer cover the specs as complete as possible, instead of  just covering the "main" portion of the spec and leaving "advanced" topics out. (doesn't mean we have to literally provide an "Advanced Topics" section. Advanced topics may be mixed in the main body ). After our discussion last week, now we most likely will have Z-ed notatin in the spec. While I agree the group has a reason to include each of the three layers, I find it not hard to image that, with all the layers and mappings in the specs, more readers will get intimidated after a few pages and will turn to the primer quickly for understanding the spec. If the primer only covers a part of the spec, it will not benefit the readers too much. 
> I heard a lot of good comments for the XML schema spec, and would like to suggest that we model after it.
> Best Regards,
> Kevin
> -----Original Message-----
> From: www-ws-desc-request@w3.org [mailto:www-ws-desc-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of David Booth
> Sent: Friday, Oct 01, 2004 01:22 PM
> To: Liu, Kevin
> Cc: 'Jonathan Marsh'; www-ws-desc@w3.org
> Subject: Re: plan for primer examples
> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 13:03, Liu, Kevin wrote:
> > Hi David and all,
> >  
> > Based on our discussion in the Toronto F2F, here is some examples I am
> > thinking to rewrite/add for the primer. Please let me know if you
> > would like to see something more or different. Concrete suggestions
> > will be highly appreciated.
> >  
> > Introduction
> >     - a simple complete example for the hotel service (aggregate the
> > pieces in the current draft)
> Yes!  That would be very helpful, so that somebody can just copy and
> paste it to try it, or they could use it as a template for
> experimentation.
> Regarding the others below, they all seem useful.  However, I think the
> main issue is that they may be too long to include in the main body of
> the Primer.  I.e., having them in the main body may disrupt the flow of
> the Primer too much.  I would suggest having them in an appendix of the
> Primer, referenced from the body.  
> >  
> > Interface section
> >    -  an example of using xsd import, including the cases for intra
> > schema references within the same <types> section
> >    -  an example of using interface inheritance
> >     - an example of using RPC style
> >    - an example of  defining reusable faults
> >  
> > Binding section
> >     - an example of soap1.2 binding (extended from the complete
> > example in the begining)
> >     - an example of soap1.1 binding (for the same interface, pending
> > on the work of soap1.1 binding)
> >     - an example of http binding (for the same interface)
> >     - an example of binding fault 
> >  
> > Service
> >     - (reuse the complete example in the beginning)
> >  
> > Advanced
> >     - example of using wsdl import and include
> >     - example of using media type and MTOM for attachment support
> >     - example of defining headers uisng application data feature
> > (optional)
> > 
> > Best Regards,
> > Kevin
> >  
> > 
> >  

David Booth
W3C Fellow / Hewlett-Packard
Received on Thursday, 7 October 2004 14:57:31 UTC

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