- From: Jonathan Marsh <jmarsh@microsoft.com>
- Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:24:14 -0800
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From: Glen Daniels [mailto:gdaniels@macromedia.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:43 PM
To: Jonathan Marsh
Subject: Minutes (sorry so late!)
WS-Description Minutes March 20, 2003
Attendence:
Erik Ackerman Lexmark
Mike Ballantyne Electronic Data Systems
David Booth W3C
Glen Daniels Macromedia
Dietmar Gaertner Software AG
Martin Gudgin Microsoft
Tom Jordahl Macromedia
Jacek Kopecky Systinet
Sandeep Kumar Cisco Systems
Amelia Lewis TIBCO
Steve Lind AT&T
Lily Liu webMethods
Jonathan Marsh Chair (Microsoft)
Dale Moberg Cyclone Commerce
Jean-Jacques Moreau Canon
Arthur Ryman IBM
Jeffrey Schlimmer Microsoft
Igor Sedukhin Computer Associates
Jerry Thrasher Lexmark
Steven White SeeBeyond
Umit Yalcinalp Oracle
Observers:
Simon Genzer IONA Technologies
Regrets:
Allen Brookes Rogue Wave Software
Roberto Chinnici Sun Microsystems
Youenn Fablet Canon
Steve Graham Global Grid Forum
Kevin Canyang Liu SAP
William Vambenepe Hewlett-Packard
Sanjiva Weerawarana IBM
Prasad Yendluri webMethods, Inc.
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1. Assign scribe : Glen Daniels
2. Minutes from 13 March approved.
3. Action item review:
Review of action items [.1]:
PENDING 2003-01-21: Roberto and gudge to create a branch and work up
a binding proposal based on referencing type
systems directly from operation components.
(Umit's example, Sanjiva's example, WSDL 1.1
example, and others.)
PENDING 2003-01-30: Jacek to write up text on SOAP response MEP after
Gudge and Jeffrey send their proposal for
request/response MEP.
PENDING 2003-02-13: Arthur to propose improvements to the URL
replacement mechanism.
PENDING 2003-02-13: Philippe to re-do HTTP bindings to allow
per-method operation names etc. Arthur to
assist.
PENDING 2003-02-27: Sanjiva to send summary of
one-portType-per-service issue.
DONE 2003-03-04: Editors will review specification guidelines by
18 March.
DONE 2003-03-04: Chair and team will review operational guidelines
by 18 March.
PENDING 2003-03-04: Editors to discuss markup for testable assertions
in the spec and come back with a strategy.
PENDING 2003-03-04: Jonathan to recruit a QA contact for the WG.
PENDING 2003-03-04: Jonathan to recruit a test contact for the WG.
DONE 2003-03-13: Jonathan to notify QA guys that we will be late
on comments to documents.
PENDING 2003-03-13: Editors will find part 2 issues to dispatch
easily next telcon.
DONE [.2] 2003-03-13: New task force: dbooth, alewis, Gudge, Don,
Philippe, and Sanjiva, come up with pros and cons
of adding endpoint information to MEPs.
DONE [.3] 2003-03-13: Glen will communicate with architecture group
about charter for properties and features task
force.
PENDING 2003-03-13: Philippe will make a proposal concerning issue
28 using features and properties.
PENDING 2003-03-13: GlenD to propose a Property representation of
SOAP action parameter of application/soap+xml
type
PENDING 2003-03-13: Don will write a proposal for annotating schema
with part information.
4. Admininstrivia:
People should make reservations for May F2F.
No response yet from QA contact recruitment.
No response yet from testing recruitment.
QA spec reviews - Amy's comments on the spec guidelines [.4]
Jonathan: can we submit this in the next day or two?
Multiple levels of conformance are too confusing - general agreement
(no dispute anyway)
Amy : we seem in line with what XMLP did here.
Jonathan : OK if I submit to QA?
NO DISSENT
ACTION: Jonathan to slice and dice Amy's comments to submit to the QA
group's web form
Jonathan : we have no QA contact/lead yet, so it seems difficult to
think in concrete terms about resources/planning yet....
Jonathan : please ask within your organizations to see if there are QA
folks who might be interested in being involved
Arthur : Can we cooperate here with WS-I?
Arthur : WS-I "profile" of WSDL 1.2 will hopefully be exactly what's in
the spec (profiling 1.1 was due to inconsistencies / errors)
Arthur : Can we share tests?
Jonathan : Maybe we can share their validator, which would schema
validate plus do WSDL-specific checks?
Jonathan : might be timing issues with syncing with WS-I
Jonathan : need some kind of plan to be more solid - how do you test
WSDLs?
Jonathan: we should list assertions in doc at least
Arthur : What about a "WSDL validator"? (like the schema validator)
Jonathan : That'd be great - volunteers?
Arthur : I'm interested, conditionally
ACTION : David Booth to investigate what it takes to get a validator
available as an official W3C entity
Jonathan : would still like a QA "lead", to help with more of a
full-scale plan rather than an ad-hoc one.
5. New Issues. - Moving MIME info to abstract part (Arthur)
Arthur : need enough in the abstract interface to codegen
Arthur : Sometimes you want to send a MIME type, independent of binding
Arthur : should MIME be baked-in (like schema)?
Arthur : MIME should be a parallel type system...
Jonathan : do people generally agree with this?
Jeff S : Agree that MIME >type< information should be indicated in the
'abstract' part of the WSDL.
Jacek : +1
(General agreement that media type info should be expressible in the
abstract part of WSDL)
Jonathan : ok, we need to address this, but should move on for now,
since a proposal from Gudge/DBox/etc will be out soon. Let's discuss
next week?
Everyone should read Arthur's proposal and Gudge's paper
7. Issue 28: transport='uri'
Waiting on proposal from Phillippe.
8. Issue 2: SOAPAction has been deprecated, as of SOAP 1.2
Waiting on proposal from Glen.
Glen summarizes - simple proposal to express as a property in WSDL, but
it either needs to be exposed as a property in the HTTP binding for SOAP
or added on via another spec.
ACTION : Glen will comment to XMLP re: SOAPAction being made a property
and the crufty fallback we could resort to if they don't.
9. Issue 6e - Arthur's proposal on URL replacement.
Arthur : need to satisfy req #85, this is awaiting a proposal from me.
10. Issues 53-55 - W3C\Philippe's proposal on per-HTTP method binding
etc.
Arthur : this has been written up and just needs comments/cleaning
before presentation
11. Part 2 issues identified by Part 2 editors.
Jonathan : next week
12. Removing message. Umit's posting on the value of part as an
Jonathan : holding off on this for now
13. Patterns.
Jonathan : nothing further yet here
14. BindingType proposal from Kevin.
Postponed until March 27th, when Kevin returns.
Jonathan : any further business we can do this week?
(nope)
MEETING ADJOURNED
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/#actions
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-meps/
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Mar/0029.html
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2003Mar/0040.html
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