- From: Umit Yalcinalp <umit.yalcinalp@oracle.com>
- Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:00:35 -0800
- To: Arthur Ryman <ryman@ca.ibm.com>
- CC: Steve Tuecke <tuecke@mcs.anl.gov>, www-ws-desc@w3.org, www-ws-desc-request@w3.org
- Message-ID: <3E7B6153.2040900@oracle.com>
Arthur Ryman wrote: >Steve, > >I agree with you. If an expert like you reads a description and finds it >unclear, then by definition it is unclear. > + 1. Yesterday after discussing the exact same case with one of my colleagues at Oracle, even I was in doubt myself. The added note appears to contradict the first paragraph definition as it is written. --umit > > >I think the first paragraph is actually wrong since it is too restrictive. >It should be corrected as per the Hello12 example below. > >Arthur Ryman > > >|---------+----------------------------> >| | Steve Tuecke | >| | <tuecke@mcs.anl.g| >| | ov> | >| | Sent by: | >| | www-ws-desc-reque| >| | st@w3.org | >| | | >| | | >| | 03/21/2003 11:24 | >| | AM | >| | | >|---------+----------------------------> > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > | | > | To: Arthur Ryman/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA | > | cc: Steve Tuecke <tuecke@mcs.anl.gov>, www-ws-desc@w3.org, www-ws-desc-request@w3.org | > | Subject: Re: Small language clarification in portType extension | > | | > | | > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > > >Arthur, > >Right. So you are not disagreeing with my comment that the language of >this note is unclear in the diamond case. But you are adding that there is > >another case that is not correctly explained by this note as well? I >agree. My understanding is the same as yours on the interpretation of your > >example. > >The "diamond inheritance case" I was bringing up is: > > <message name="stringMessage"> > <part name="name" type="xsd:string"/> > </message> > > <interface name="A"> > <operation name="hello"> > <input message="tns:stringMessage" name="request"/> > <output message="tns:stringMessage" name="response"/> > </operation> > </interface > > > <interface name="B" extends="tns:A"> > ... > </interface > > > <interface name="C" extends="tns:A"> > ... > </interface > > > <interface name="D" extends="tns:B tns:C"> > ... > </interface > > >-Steve > >At 09:19 AM 3/21/2003, Arthur Ryman wrote: > >>Steve, >> >>I don't think the first paragraph is correct. My understanding is that it >>is OK to derive from two different portTypes in the the same namespace >> >that > >>have the same named operations as long as the properties of the operations >>are the same. This could occur even without diamond inheritance. For >>example, >> >> <message name="stringMessage"> >> <part name="name" type="xsd:string"/> >> </message> >> >> <interface name="Hello1"> >> <operation name="hello"> >> <input message="tns:stringMessage" name="request"/> >> <output message="tns:stringMessage" name="response"/> >> </operation> >> </interface > >> >> <interface name="Hello2"> >> <operation name="hello"> >> <input message="tns:stringMessage" name="request"/> >> <output message="tns:stringMessage" name="response"/> >> </operation> >> </interface > >> >> <interface name="Hello12" implements="tns:Hello1 tns:Hello2"> >> </interface > >> >> >>Hello12 is OK and has a single operation hello, which it inherits from >> >both > >>Hello1 and Hello2. This is OK because the definitions of hello in Hello1 >>and Hello2 don't conflict. >> >>Arthur Ryman >> >> >>|---------+----------------------------> >>| | Steve Tuecke | >>| | <tuecke@mcs.anl.g| >>| | ov> | >>| | Sent by: | >>| | www-ws-desc-reque| >>| | st@w3.org | >>| | | >>| | | >>| | 03/20/2003 08:53 | >>| | PM | >>| | | >>|---------+----------------------------> >> >> > >> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > >> | >> | >> | To: www-ws-desc@w3.org >> | >> | cc: >> | >> | Subject: Small language clarification in portType >>extension >>| >> | >> | >> | >> | >> >> > >> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > >> >> >> >>Section 2.5.1 (The Port Type Operation Component) reads: >> >>"Note: >>Due to the above rules, if two port types that have the same value for >>their {target namespace} property also have one or more operations that >>have the same value for their {name} property then those two port types >>cannot both form part of the derivation chain of a derived port type. >>Therefore it is considered good practice to ensure that operation names >>within a namespace are unique, thus allowing such derivation to occur >>without error." >> >>I suggest adding the word, "... if two DIFFERENT port types have the same >>value ...". A reviewer questioned whether the current language meant that >>the diamond inheritance case is illegal (B extends A, C extends A, D >>extends B and C). But, of course, we specifically decided the diamond >>inheritance case is legal, as reflected in the main normative text right >>above this, which reads: >> >>"In cases where, due to a port type extending one or more other port >> >types, > >>two or more port type operation components have the same value for their >>{name} and {target namespace} properties, then the component models of >>those port type operation components MUST be equivalent (see 2.12 >> >>Equivalence of components). If the port type operation components are >>equivalent then they are considered to collapse into a component. It is an >>error if two port type operation components have the same value for their >>{name} and {target namespace} properties but are not equivalent." >> >>I think the addition of the word "different" would make the intent of this >>note more clear. >> >>-Steve >> > > > > -- Umit Yalcinalp Consulting Member of Technical Staff 400 Oracle Parkway Oracle Phone: +1 650 607 6154 Redwood Shores, Email: umit.yalcinalp@oracle.com CA 94065, USA
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