- From: Sanjiva Weerawarana <sanjiva@watson.ibm.com>
- Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:27:41 +0600
- To: "Jeffrey Schlimmer" <jeffsch@windows.microsoft.com>, "Christopher B Ferris" <chrisfer@us.ibm.com>, "Jonathan Marsh" <jmarsh@microsoft.com>
- Cc: <www-ws-desc@w3.org>, <www-ws-desc-request@w3.org>
Yes, sorry Chris .. JM's point was valid and we haven't made enough progress on the "private TF". I will forward the proposal I sent to that list to this public list as hopefully that'll help increase the momentum on accepting/rejecting/modifying those ideas. Sanjiva. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Schlimmer" <jeffsch@windows.microsoft.com> To: "Christopher B Ferris" <chrisfer@us.ibm.com>; "Jonathan Marsh" <jmarsh@microsoft.com> Cc: "Sanjiva Weerawarana" <sanjiva@watson.ibm.com>; <www-ws-desc@w3.org>; <www-ws-desc-request@w3.org> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 11:06 PM Subject: RE: Agenda, 17 July 2003 WS Desc telcon > > An informal task force has been trying to come to a consensus on an > approach re: programming model hints. I do not believe anything has been > posted to the list yet. > > --Jeff > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: www-ws-desc-request@w3.org [mailto:www-ws-desc-request@w3.org] > On > > Behalf Of Christopher B Ferris > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:52 AM > > To: Jonathan Marsh > > Cc: Sanjiva Weerawarana; www-ws-desc@w3.org; > www-ws-desc-request@w3.org > > Subject: RE: Agenda, 17 July 2003 WS Desc telcon > > > > > > I don't understand, Sanjiva has made a proposal on the list. To date, > I > > have seen > > no mention of "programmng hints" in any of the (admittedly limited) > > discussion > > around his proposal. > > > > What is is that you mean by this? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Christopher Ferris > > STSM, Emerging e-business Industry Architecture > > email: chrisfer@us.ibm.com > > phone: +1 508 234 3624 > > > > www-ws-desc-request@w3.org wrote on 07/17/2003 10:56:04 AM: > > > > > > > > Removing message will remain in flux until we see a proposal for > adding > > > "programming hints". > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Sanjiva Weerawarana [mailto:sanjiva@watson.ibm.com] > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 2:02 AM > > > > To: Jonathan Marsh; www-ws-desc@w3.org > > > > Subject: Re: Agenda, 17 July 2003 WS Desc telcon > > > > > > > > Hi Jonathan, > > > > > > > > Is there any chance of moving the <message> discussion much > > > > higher on the agenda today? > > > > > > > > I think it fell off the agenda last week (I had to drop off > > > > early) and since the single interface thing is before that > > > > I fear that we may never get to it. Same concern for the > > > > binding changes .. we seem to be stuck on one little (IMO) > > > > point and unable to make progress on other things. To me, > > > > without committing to what we're doing or not doing to > > > > <message> all the binding stuff is in total flux. > > > > > > > > Sanjiva. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jonathan Marsh" <jmarsh@microsoft.com> > > > > To: <www-ws-desc@w3.org> > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 12:13 AM > > > > Subject: Agenda, 17 July 2003 WS Desc telcon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0. Dial in information (members only) [.1]: > > > > > > > > > > See the public WG page [.2] for pointers to current documents > and > > > other > > > > > information, and the private page [.3] for administrative > matters. > > > > > > > > > > If you have additions to the agenda, please email them to the WG > > > list > > > > > before the start of the telcon. > > > > > > > > > > [.1] > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2003Jul/0023.html > > > > > [.2] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/ > > > > > [.3] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/admin > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > Agenda > > > > > > > > > > 1. Assign scribe. Lucky minute taker for this week is: > > > > > Don Mullen (fallbacks: Adi Sakala, Sandeep Kumar, > > > > > Prasad Yendluri, Dietmar Gaertner, Jerry Thrasher, > > > > > Allen Brooks, Glen Daniels) > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > 2. Approval of minutes: > > > > > - July 10 telcon [.1]. Alan Davies sent belated regrets. > > > Jonathan > > > > > asked for two AIs to be recorded [.2]. > > > > > > > > > > [.1] > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0052.html > > > > > [.1] > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0054.html > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > 3. Review of Action items [.1]. > > > > > ? 2003-03-13: Don will write a proposal for annotating > > > schema > > > > > with part information. > > > > > ? 2003-03-27: Philippe write up a proposal for embedding > > > binary > > > > > data types in schema > > > > > ? 2003-05-13: DaveO to send a motivating example for > R131. > > > > > ? 2003-05-13: Jeffsch, Sanjiva, Glen, Umit, JJM to come > up > > > with > > > > > a proposal to get rid with the message > > > construct, > > > > > and add programming hints. > > > > > ? 2003-06-12: Jacek to synthesize the different > approaches > > > > > to solving issue 64. > > > > > DONE [.2] 2003-07-03: Arthur to figure out which validation mode > our > > > > > schema should specify on xs:any. > > > > > ? 2003-07-10: DBooth to reconcile his terminology with > that > > > > > in the requirements doc. > > > > > DONE [.3] 2003-07-10: Jonathan to send a summary of the > > > @serviceGroup > > > > > idea to the list. > > > > > > > > > > [.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/#actions > > > > > [.2] > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0068.html > > > > > [.3] > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0055.html > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > 4. Administrivia > > > > > a. July FTF logistics [.1], registration [.2] > > > > > b. Sept FTF logistics [.3] (need registration page) > > > > > > > > > > [.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/3/05/f2fJulyLogistics.htm > > > > > [.2] > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.w3.org/Register/selectUser.pl?_w3c_meetingName=WSAWG_WSDWG_20 > > > > > 0307 > > > > > [.3] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/arch/3/07/f2fSeptLogistics.html > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > 5. Task Force Status. > > > > > a. Properties and Features (dormant) > > > > > b. Patterns > > > > > c. Attributes > > > > > d. QA & Testing > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > 6. New Issues. Merged issues list [.1]. > > > > > - none > > > > > > > > > > [.1] > > > > > > > > > http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/issues/wsd-issues.html > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > 7. Open content model - validate "strict" [.1]. > > > > > > > > > > [.1] > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0068.html > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > 8. Polishing off single service per interface > > > > > Terminology [.1] Diagram [.2, .3] > > > > > Alternatives: @targetResource > > > > > @serviceGroup [.5] > > > > > > > > > > - Naming the service resource [.4] > > > > > > > > > > [.1] > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0018.html > > > > > [.2] > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jun/0064.html > > > > > [.3] > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0019.html > > > > > [.4] > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0008.html > > > > > [.5] > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0055.html > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > 9. Binding enhancements > > > > > Sanjiva proposes [.1] to: > > > > > 1) Drop @interface from binding, since now in service. > > > > > 2) Allow inlining interface-wide binding within a port and > > > > > making binding optional. > > > > > 3) Define default binding (SOAP doc/lit). > > > > > 4) Dealing with operation specific SOAPActions. > > > > > Kevin proposes to [.2]: > > > > > 1) Allow reuse of parts of bindings through a > BindingDetails > > > > > element and corresponding references. > > > > > Consolidated proposal [.3] > > > > > Amy's feedback [.4] > > > > > > > > > > [.1] > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0046.html > > > > > [.2] > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jan/0068.html > > > > > [.3] > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0017.html > > > > > [.4] > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0051.html > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > 10. Removing message. > > > > > Investigating idea to cleanly separate interop at the > message > > > > > format level from interop at the programming model level. > > > Proposal > > > > > from Sanjiva [.1] > > > > > > > > > > [.1] > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0025.html > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > 11. R085 Describing endpoint references. [.1] > > > > > - General agreement to add such capability to WSDL, but > > > > > not agreement on the precise form of the annotations and > > > > > where in the WSDL they should reside. Proposal > > > > > from Umit [.3], response from Arthur [.4]. > > > > > - Related issue (?) dynamic discovery of a service [.2]. > > > > > > > > > > [.1] > > > > > > > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Apr/att-0088/R085-20 > > > > > 03-04-22.html > > > > > [.2] > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0004.html > > > > > [.3] > > > > > > > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jun/att-0024/umit_pr > > > > > oposal.html__charset_ISO-8859-1 > > > > > [.4] > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jun/0142.html > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > 12. Issue 64 [.1] Operations an HTTP verbs (Mark Baker) [.2, .3, > .4] > > > > > > > > > > [.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x64 > > > > > [.2] > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0094.html > > > > > [.3] > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jan/0103.html > > > > > [.4] > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jan/0111.html > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > 13. Issue 2: SOAPAction has been deprecated, as of SOAP 1.2 > [.1]. > > > > > - Arthur's proposal to unify property URIs and QName URIs. > [.2] > > > > > Alternatives include using property markup, or a QNamed > > > > > attribute. > > > > > - Proposal for advertising QoS features of a Web service in > WSDL > > > [.3]. > > > > > > > > > > [.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x2 > > > > > [.2] > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0047.html > > > > > [.3] > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0020.html > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > 14. Moving MIME Type Information to the Interface [.1] > > > > > Awaiting proposal from Philippe. > > > > > > > > > > [.1] > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Mar/0028.html > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > 15. Using RDF in WSDL [.1]. > > > > > Dependent upon RDF mapping first draft. > > > > > > > > > > [.1] > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0076.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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