- From: Hugo Haas <hugo@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:06:01 +0200
- To: www-ws-cg@w3.org
... are available at: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/cg/2/09/03-minutes Text version follows. Regards, Hugo -------------------------------------------------------------------- IRC log of ws-cg on 2002-09-03 Present: Jonathan Marsh, Dave Hollander, Eric Miller, David Fallside, Hugo Haas (joined at 1.15pm EDT) [em] agenda - [1]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-cg/2002Aug/0000.h tml scribe - collaborative effort agreed in IRC [DavidF] ACTION: Hugo to follow-up on MEP document and most likely open a WSAWG issue about it [2] recorded in [2]http://www.w3.org/2002/07/23-ws-cg-irc#T17-08-53 ACTION: MC to inform XML CG that WS may have reqs re. processing and call for reqs should include WS WGs [changed owner] [3] recorded in [3]http://www.w3.org/2002/07/23-ws-cg-irc#T17-09-03 ACTION: MC and JM to continue trying to find venue for f2f, and figure out whether or not to have an overlap day [4] recorded in [4]http://www.w3.org/2002/07/23-ws-cg-irc#T17-09-08 ACTION: DF to contact Kelvin L and JM to contact Chris Kaler re. potential future liason and to ask them when [7] recorded in [5]http://www.w3.org/2002/07/23-ws-cg-irc#T17-26-33 ACTION: DF to ask DaveH whether he is willing to take on XML CG co-ord role (in which case we will not ask Jonathan to take over in Sept) [8] recorded in [6]http://www.w3.org/2002/07/23-ws-cg-irc#T17-49-43 [DavidF] ACTION 1= Hugo to follow-up on MEP document and most likely open a WSAWG issue about it [Marsh] ACTION 1= Hugo (or Dave) to follow-up on MEP document and most likely open a WSAWG issue about it [DavidF] klawrenc@us.ibm.com ACTION 4, closed [Marsh] ACTION: JM to ask Kelvin and Chris to attend next time, to report on W3C-OASIS meeting, first WS-Security FTF, and any thoughts on liasons. [DavidF] ckaler@microsoft.com ACTION- 4 [Marsh] Zakim, P2 is Hugo [DavidF] ACTION- 5 [Zakim] sorry, Marsh, I do not recognize a party named 'P2' [DavidF] discussion of agenda item #5 .... [Marsh] Dave: There has been a proposal for a choreography charter on the Arch mailing list. Dave: Arch is responsible for advising on the scope of the work. Dave: There is a sense of urgency to getting this group up and running, prior to the first draft of the architecture. Dave: We're having a ftf next week, and will bring the scope question to the floor, and whether the group will recommend to the CG that such a group be chartered. Dave: From a tech viewpoint, the only real issue is whether choreography is needed, RESTful archs don't need it. And there's a slide into Routing. Dave: Holder of this opinion will not hold it up. Dave: Belief that a wide-open charter is best, starting with partitioning the space. DavidF: Partitioning technology or WGs? Dave: technology [em] DavidF: if i understand you correctly... the suggestion is to provide a open charter and make one of the first deliverables to help define the partion of the work? [DavidF] [7]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-arch/2002Aug/0054 .html is the URL for the proposed charter, and the beginning of a thread Note from the scribe: a [8]public version of the proposal is available at http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/arch/2/09/chor-proposal.html. [Marsh] Eric: Concerned about open charters in general. Groups can twist charters, makes delivering deliverables on time difficult. [DavidF] EM concerned about giving WGs open charters [Marsh] Eric: How does this fit into the Architecture? DavidF: Why would an Arch group give an open charter (implying Arch work) to another WG? Dave: Strong sense of urgency to make timely response to the choreography work because there's so much out there. [em] DavidF: wouldnt it simpley be quicker for the ws-arch to define a task force to identify a choreagraphy architecture? [DavidF] DH: no 'cos the appropriate experts not involved [em] Dave: No, the Choreography experts are not part of this ws-arch group and the group (or 12? on the call) thought it would be simpler and faster to charter another group [Marsh] Eric: How does this relate to WSDL? Implied functional requirements... Eric: Is this work focussed on WSCI? Bringing it together with other work in the space? [em] proposed Choreography Working charter -> [9]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-arch/2002Aug/att- 0054/01-part [DavidF] DF asks group for their opinions re. the proposed open-ended charter .... JM concerned that it is the wrong appraoch and exists for political reasons DH agrees (?) DF infers there is a belief in WS Arch that giving a WG some leeway could result in a faster process DH Notes the proposed charter is no "looser" than was XML Schema s/Notes/notes/ [HugoH] JM: It is too early for starting this work. The WSAWG should investigate the choreography area more: it has not enough traction in the industry. HH: The WSAWG should discuss the scope of the proposed work and see if they agree that such work can be started in parallel with the Architecture work. [DavidF] ACTION: DH & MC to report on charter progress from WS ARch f2f mtg [Zakim] WS_WSCG()1:00PM has ended [DavidF] rrsagent, bye [RRSAgent] I see 5 open action items: ACTION: Hugo (or Dave) to follow-up on MEP document and most likely open a WSAWG issue about it [1] recorded in [10]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/03-ws-cg-irc#T17-07-20 ACTION: MC to inform XML CG that WS may have reqs re. processing and call for reqs should include WS WGs [changed owner] [3] [2] recorded in [11]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/03-ws-cg-irc#T17-07-32 ACTION: MC and JM to continue trying to find venue for f2f, and figure out whether or not to have an overlap day [4] [3] recorded in [12]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/03-ws-cg-irc#T17-07-40 ACTION: JM to ask Kelvin and Chris to attend next time, to report on W3C-OASIS meeting, first WS-Security FTF, and any thoughts on liasons. [6] recorded in [13]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/03-ws-cg-irc#T17-17-50 ACTION: DH & MC to report on charter progress from WS ARch f2f mtg [7] recorded in [14]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/03-ws-cg-irc#T18-03-44 References 1. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-cg/2002Aug/0000.html 2. http://www.w3.org/2002/07/23-ws-cg-irc#T17-08-53 3. http://www.w3.org/2002/07/23-ws-cg-irc#T17-09-03 4. http://www.w3.org/2002/07/23-ws-cg-irc#T17-09-08 5. http://www.w3.org/2002/07/23-ws-cg-irc#T17-26-33 6. http://www.w3.org/2002/07/23-ws-cg-irc#T17-49-43 7. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-arch/2002Aug/0054.html 8. http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/arch/2/09/chor-proposal.html 9. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-arch/2002Aug/att-0054/01-part 10. http://www.w3.org/2002/09/03-ws-cg-irc#T17-07-20 11. http://www.w3.org/2002/09/03-ws-cg-irc#T17-07-32 12. http://www.w3.org/2002/09/03-ws-cg-irc#T17-07-40 13. http://www.w3.org/2002/09/03-ws-cg-irc#T17-17-50 14. http://www.w3.org/2002/09/03-ws-cg-irc#T18-03-44 -- Hugo Haas - W3C mailto:hugo@w3.org - http://www.w3.org/People/Hugo/
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