- From: Hugo Haas <hugo@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:06:01 +0200
- To: www-ws-cg@w3.org
... are available at:
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/cg/2/09/03-minutes
Text version follows.
Regards,
Hugo
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IRC log of ws-cg on 2002-09-03
Present: Jonathan Marsh, Dave Hollander, Eric Miller, David Fallside,
Hugo Haas (joined at 1.15pm EDT)
[em]
agenda -
[1]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-cg/2002Aug/0000.h
tml
scribe - collaborative effort agreed in IRC
[DavidF]
ACTION: Hugo to follow-up on MEP document and most likely open
a WSAWG issue about it [2]
recorded in [2]http://www.w3.org/2002/07/23-ws-cg-irc#T17-08-53
ACTION: MC to inform XML CG that WS may have reqs re.
processing and call for reqs should include WS WGs [changed
owner] [3]
recorded in [3]http://www.w3.org/2002/07/23-ws-cg-irc#T17-09-03
ACTION: MC and JM to continue trying to find venue for f2f, and
figure out whether or not to have an overlap day [4]
recorded in [4]http://www.w3.org/2002/07/23-ws-cg-irc#T17-09-08
ACTION: DF to contact Kelvin L and JM to contact Chris Kaler
re. potential future liason and to ask them when [7]
recorded in [5]http://www.w3.org/2002/07/23-ws-cg-irc#T17-26-33
ACTION: DF to ask DaveH whether he is willing to take on XML CG
co-ord role (in which case we will not ask Jonathan to take
over in Sept) [8]
recorded in [6]http://www.w3.org/2002/07/23-ws-cg-irc#T17-49-43
[DavidF]
ACTION 1= Hugo to follow-up on MEP document and most likely
open a WSAWG issue about it
[Marsh]
ACTION 1= Hugo (or Dave) to follow-up on MEP document and most
likely open a WSAWG issue about it
[DavidF]
klawrenc@us.ibm.com
ACTION 4, closed
[Marsh]
ACTION: JM to ask Kelvin and Chris to attend next time, to
report on W3C-OASIS meeting, first WS-Security FTF, and any
thoughts on liasons.
[DavidF]
ckaler@microsoft.com
ACTION- 4
[Marsh]
Zakim, P2 is Hugo
[DavidF]
ACTION- 5
[Zakim]
sorry, Marsh, I do not recognize a party named 'P2'
[DavidF]
discussion of agenda item #5 ....
[Marsh]
Dave: There has been a proposal for a choreography charter on
the Arch mailing list.
Dave: Arch is responsible for advising on the scope of the
work.
Dave: There is a sense of urgency to getting this group up and
running, prior to the first draft of the architecture.
Dave: We're having a ftf next week, and will bring the scope
question to the floor, and whether the group will recommend to
the CG that such a group be chartered.
Dave: From a tech viewpoint, the only real issue is whether
choreography is needed, RESTful archs don't need it. And
there's a slide into Routing.
Dave: Holder of this opinion will not hold it up.
Dave: Belief that a wide-open charter is best, starting with
partitioning the space.
DavidF: Partitioning technology or WGs?
Dave: technology
[em]
DavidF: if i understand you correctly... the suggestion is to
provide a open charter and make one of the first deliverables
to help define the partion of the work?
[DavidF]
[7]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-arch/2002Aug/0054
.html
is the URL for the proposed charter, and the beginning of a
thread
Note from the scribe: a [8]public version of the proposal is available
at http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/arch/2/09/chor-proposal.html.
[Marsh]
Eric: Concerned about open charters in general. Groups can
twist charters, makes delivering deliverables on time
difficult.
[DavidF]
EM concerned about giving WGs open charters
[Marsh]
Eric: How does this fit into the Architecture?
DavidF: Why would an Arch group give an open charter (implying
Arch work) to another WG?
Dave: Strong sense of urgency to make timely response to the
choreography work because there's so much out there.
[em]
DavidF: wouldnt it simpley be quicker for the ws-arch to define
a task force to identify a choreagraphy architecture?
[DavidF]
DH: no 'cos the appropriate experts not involved
[em]
Dave: No, the Choreography experts are not part of this ws-arch
group and the group (or 12? on the call) thought it would be
simpler and faster to charter another group
[Marsh]
Eric: How does this relate to WSDL? Implied functional
requirements...
Eric: Is this work focussed on WSCI? Bringing it together with
other work in the space?
[em]
proposed Choreography Working charter ->
[9]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-arch/2002Aug/att-
0054/01-part
[DavidF]
DF asks group for their opinions re. the proposed open-ended
charter ....
JM concerned that it is the wrong appraoch and exists for
political reasons
DH agrees (?)
DF infers there is a belief in WS Arch that giving a WG some
leeway could result in a faster process
DH Notes the proposed charter is no "looser" than was XML
Schema
s/Notes/notes/
[HugoH]
JM: It is too early for starting this work. The WSAWG should
investigate the choreography area more: it has not enough
traction in the industry.
HH: The WSAWG should discuss the scope of the proposed work and
see if they agree that such work can be started in parallel
with the Architecture work.
[DavidF]
ACTION: DH & MC to report on charter progress from WS ARch f2f
mtg
[Zakim]
WS_WSCG()1:00PM has ended
[DavidF]
rrsagent, bye
[RRSAgent]
I see 5 open action items:
ACTION: Hugo (or Dave) to follow-up on MEP document and most
likely open a WSAWG issue about it [1]
recorded in
[10]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/03-ws-cg-irc#T17-07-20
ACTION: MC to inform XML CG that WS may have reqs re.
processing and call for reqs should include WS WGs [changed
owner] [3] [2]
recorded in
[11]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/03-ws-cg-irc#T17-07-32
ACTION: MC and JM to continue trying to find venue for f2f, and
figure out whether or not to have an overlap day [4] [3]
recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/03-ws-cg-irc#T17-07-40
ACTION: JM to ask Kelvin and Chris to attend next time, to
report on W3C-OASIS meeting, first WS-Security FTF, and any
thoughts on liasons. [6]
recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/03-ws-cg-irc#T17-17-50
ACTION: DH & MC to report on charter progress from WS ARch f2f
mtg [7]
recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/03-ws-cg-irc#T18-03-44
References
1. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-cg/2002Aug/0000.html
2. http://www.w3.org/2002/07/23-ws-cg-irc#T17-08-53
3. http://www.w3.org/2002/07/23-ws-cg-irc#T17-09-03
4. http://www.w3.org/2002/07/23-ws-cg-irc#T17-09-08
5. http://www.w3.org/2002/07/23-ws-cg-irc#T17-26-33
6. http://www.w3.org/2002/07/23-ws-cg-irc#T17-49-43
7. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-arch/2002Aug/0054.html
8. http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/arch/2/09/chor-proposal.html
9. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-arch/2002Aug/att-0054/01-part
10. http://www.w3.org/2002/09/03-ws-cg-irc#T17-07-20
11. http://www.w3.org/2002/09/03-ws-cg-irc#T17-07-32
12. http://www.w3.org/2002/09/03-ws-cg-irc#T17-07-40
13. http://www.w3.org/2002/09/03-ws-cg-irc#T17-17-50
14. http://www.w3.org/2002/09/03-ws-cg-irc#T18-03-44
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Hugo Haas - W3C
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