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RE: REST wrap-up (was Re: Web Services Architecture Document

From: Cutler, Roger (RogerCutler) <RogerCutler@chevrontexaco.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:57:47 -0600
Message-ID: <7FCB5A9F010AAE419A79A54B44F3718E031328FD@bocnte2k3.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
To: "He, Hao" <Hao.He@thomson.com.au>, "Michael Champion " <mc@xegesis.org>, www-ws-arch@w3.org

From having discussed this with you in the past, I think that the
experiences you are basing this on have been within the enterprise.  I
think that the capabilities SOAP brings to the table become much more
obviously necessary when you start looking at B2B.  In addition, we are
beginning to find problems within the enterprise of a similar nature
because ... Well, maybe I don't want to go into that in this forum.

-----Original Message-----
From: www-ws-arch-request@w3.org [mailto:www-ws-arch-request@w3.org] On
Behalf Of He, Hao
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 2:39 PM
To: 'Michael Champion '; ''''www-ws-arch@w3.org ' ' ' '
Subject: RE: REST wrap-up (was Re: Web Services Architecture Document

 "If reasoning were like hauling I should agree that several reasoners
would be worth more than one, just as several horses can haul more sacks
of grain than one can. But reasoning is like racing and not like
hauling, and a single Barbary steed can outrun a hundred dray horses."

Galileo Galilei in: IL SAGGIATORE (1623).

Unforunately, reasoning at W3C is like hauling.

Frankly, you only need SOAP when your services are dirty.  To build
clean services, 
you just need to take a REST.


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Champion
To: '''www-ws-arch@w3.org ' ' '
Sent: 2/7/2004 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: REST wrap-up (was Re: Web Services Architecture Document

On Feb 6, 2004, at 3:11 PM, Thompson, Bryan B. wrote:

> Then, if a REST style is fine, are you only objecting to the native 
> use of the HTTP protocol (vs SOAP tunneled through whatever)?

I'm not objecting to anything other than the notion there is One True 
Way to do any of this.  REST has a place, SOAP/WSDL has a place, 
SOAP-RPC has a place (albeit mainly in well-managed enterprise 
environments).    I'm just a bit mystified by Mark's repeated queries 
for clarification on why WSA doesn't build on a REST and only REST 
foundation.  That's the issue that I *think* was originally  being 
asked in this thread, and I think is very thoroughly answered in the 
WSA Note and (extensively!) in the www-ws-arch archives.
Received on Friday, 6 February 2004 15:58:36 UTC

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