- From: Cutler, Roger (RogerCutler) <RogerCutler@ChevronTexaco.com>
- Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:05:44 -0500
- To: www-ws-arch@w3.org
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Some things are beginning to seem a bit clearer to me as a result of recent discussion. First, I think that there are some people, perhaps including myself, who had an expectation that if we defined a Web service architecture well enough that then one could guarantee, or at least hope, that any two Web services conformant to that architecture would interoperate. I now think that this expectation was as misguided as would have been Humphey Bogart's (as Rick) had he come to Casablanca for the waters. Those waters are just not here. As WS-I is showing us, the only way to guarantee interoperability is to constrain very tightly to particular specs and even to interpretations of those specs. Such an interoperable profile is useful pretty much at a given point in time. WS-I has labelled their current profile "number 1", with the clear expectation of numbers 2 through N, with interoperability across profiles yet to be determined. An architecture that actually guaranteed interoperability would fairly rapidly become irrelevant, I think. Moreover, I think it's pretty much time to wake up and smell the coffee on the fragmentation issue. Yes, fragmentation is not good. It is, however, a FACT and it doesn't do any good to ignore it. There has clearly been a major bifurcation of Web services due to genuine parallel development between ebXML and the W3C (with ebXML probably first on the ground). I am currently attending an energy industry vertical meeting, and let me assure you that if anything is ignorable here it is W3C Web services. This group is in the process of committing to ebXML and developing rather specific implementation strategies. W3C Web services are just not taken very seriously (for business transactions -- they are certainly being used internally for operations behind the firewall). This is because key specs are viewed as immature and because there are gaps or competing specs in areas of functionality necessary for business applications. W3C Web services are, in this context, simply not viewed as a serious player at this time. It seems to me that it would be best, to put it mildly, if this WG defined an architecture that encompasses both branches of this bifurcation, at least at the higher levels of the architecture. If it gets much more specific on one side as a map for the future so be it, but I think that a Web services architecture that completely excludes a major current implementation of Web services would not be very plausible or useful. This architecture should not, in my view, be constrained by current specifications but should provide a context and framework for those specifications and for specs to come. That is, the function of SOAP should be the fundamental unit of the architecture, not SOAP itself. If, then, SOAP is the only reasonable realization of that function on the radar screen, that's really great. But in the case of interface definition I think we have two clearly viable realizations at present. It would be nice, of course, if the framework could provide some guidance as to how those realizations might converge or interoperate in the future, but I have no idea whether it is possible to do so. In addition, such a framework that guides specifications rather than being constrained by specifications can continue to be useful into the semantic generation of specs that some people expect to appear. A specification constrained architecture would, at best, become irrelevant and at worst would be a hindrance to progress. I believe that this direction is pretty consistent with the re-factored architecture. In other words, I think that this is actually pretty much what we are doing.
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