- From: Newcomer, Eric <Eric.Newcomer@iona.com>
- Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:48:21 -0400
- To: "Anne Thomas Manes" <anne@manes.net>, "Hugo Haas" <hugo@w3.org>
- Cc: "Jeckle, Mario" <mario@jeckle.de>, "Champion, Mike" <Mike.Champion@SoftwareAG-USA.com>, <www-ws-arch@w3.org>, <Savas.Parastatidis@newcastle.ac.uk>, <RogerCutler@chevrontexaco.com>
I am actually ok with George's diagram (it's actually closer to the original than Mario's, but I sent my comment on Mario's before studying George's -- apologies for that). Except for some minor changes: "services" -> "description" And I would remove the XML from each of the boxes, and either represent it as a backplane or add a note the diagram explaining that all the artifacts are XML. Eric -----Original Message----- From: Anne Thomas Manes [mailto:anne@manes.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 3:51 PM To: Hugo Haas; Newcomer, Eric Cc: Jeckle, Mario; Champion, Mike; www-ws-arch@w3.org; Savas.Parastatidis@newcastle.ac.uk; RogerCutler@chevrontexaco.com Subject: RE: The stack diagram (was RE: Discussion topic for tomorrow's call) So why don't we keep the diagram at a more conceptual level and not talk about specific technologies, per George's suggestion: Four boxes, two pillars: S M E A Processes C N -------------------------- U A Services R G -------------------------- I E Messages T M -------------------------- Y T Transports > -----Original Message----- > From: www-ws-arch-request@w3.org [mailto:www-ws-arch-request@w3.org]On > Behalf Of Hugo Haas > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 12:26 PM > To: Newcomer, Eric > Cc: Jeckle, Mario; Champion, Mike; www-ws-arch@w3.org; > Savas.Parastatidis@newcastle.ac.uk; RogerCutler@chevrontexaco.com > Subject: Re: The stack diagram (was RE: Discussion topic for tomorrow's > call) > > > > * Newcomer, Eric <Eric.Newcomer@iona.com> [2003-04-09 11:08-0400] > > This would be much clearer and more useful without the protocol > binding box extending into the SOAP area. Representing the major > concepts clearly in a diagram should be the goal rather than > including every detail in the diagram. > > > > We want to provide someone with a visual understanding of the > architectural framework, meaning primarily what is included > within it, and represent *to some extent* the relationships among > the major pieces. > > > > Drawing the line between what is clear and general and specific > and confusing is never easy, and no doubt we will have many opinions. > > > > I'd like to propose that we adopt this version of the diagram, > without the protocol binding part, and move on. > > I think that it all comes down to knowing how many diagrams we need to > represent our space, so that each diagram is reasonnably simple and > understandable. > > We need to address the fact that HTTP without SOAP may be used to do > some requests, such as with the SOAP 1.2 HTTP GET binding. > > This is why I am worried about showing HTTP in the transport box > without any link to the message box. I think that I could live with > this diagram if there was some text accompanying it talking about > that. > > And in this case we should also add some explanation about why HTTP is > in a box called transport, otherwise I foresee comments about that. > > Regards, > > Hugo > > -- > Hugo Haas - W3C > mailto:hugo@w3.org - http://www.w3.org/People/Hugo/ >
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