- From: Peter F. Patel-Schneider <pfps@research.bell-labs.com>
- Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 13:35:08 -0400
- To: jos.deroo.jd@belgium.agfa.com
- Cc: www-webont-wg@w3.org
From: "Jos De_Roo" <jos.deroo.jd@belgium.agfa.com>
Subject: Re: ISSUE: DAML+OIL semantics is too weak
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 19:17:45 +0200
> > > > a/ ?x a :R -> ?x a [ owl:complementOf ?x ]
> > > > b/ ?x a [ owl:complementOf ?x ] -> ?x a :R
> > > >
> > > > have been derived.
> > > >
> > > > Now assume that
> > > > Ac/ :R a :R
> > > > (Why? Well because this is how this proof theory makes progress.)
> > > >
> > > > Then from modus ponens, a/ and Ac/
> > > > Ad/ :R a :R
> > > > follows.
>
> No, it is :R a [ owl:complementOf :R ]
> that follows per MP
> :R a :R
> ?x a :R -> ?x a [ owl:complementOf ?x ]
> |-
> :R a [ owl:complementOf :R ]
My messages
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002May/0143.html
and
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002May/0146.html
read
Ad/ :R a [ owl:complementOf :R ]
on the line that you quote as
> > > > Ad/ :R a :R
How did that get changed in your message?
> > > > But our theory includes the implication
> > > > ?x a ?y , ?x a [owl:complementOf :y] -> FALSE
> > > > so using modus ponens again
> > > > Ae/ FALSE
>
> OK per MP
> :R a :R
> :R a [ owl:complementOf :R ]
> ?x a ?y , ?x a [owl:complementOf :y] -> FALSE
> |-
> FALSE
>
> > > > Now the proof theory allows the deduction of the opposite of the
> > > > assumption, so
> > > > f/ not ( :R a :R )
> > > > follows.
>
> which is :R a [ owl:complementOf :R ]
> but you had derived that already
> assuming :R a :R
I guess I was not clear enough. Being more explicit, the proof would
proceed along the following lines:
| :R a :R Assumption
| :R a [ owl:complementOf :R ] From a/, using modus ponens
| FALSE From ?x a ?y, ?x a [owl:complementOf :y] -> FALSE
:R a :R -> FALSE Discharging the assumption
not(:R a :R) modus tolens
[...]
> > I don't see any circularity here. Where do you think that the circularity
> > arises?
>
> Yes, assuming :R a :R you can derive per MP
> :R a [ owl:complementOf :R ]
>
> but what you have assumed should become
> a (finite) branch of the final proof tree.
>
> So let's now assume :R a [ owl:complementOf :R ]
> and then per MP
> :R a [ owl:complementOf :R ]
> ?x a [ owl:complementOf ?x ] -> ?x a :R
> |-
> :R a :R
>
> but what we have assumed should become
> a (finite) branch of the final proof tree
> and all we have can be substituted, so
> :R a :R
> ?x a :R -> ?x a [ owl:complementOf ?x ]
> |-
> :R a [ owl:complementOf :R ]
> ?x a [ owl:complementOf ?x ] -> ?x a :R
> |-
> :R a :R
>
> and that is circular.
Well, it is possible to make assumptions, and as long as they are
discharged appropriately, which is done above, they don't need
justification.
> I really wonder if you can write a final proof tree
> with non-assumed leafs?
Well, of course. I'll put together a fairly detailed derivation shortly.
> --
> Jos
peter
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