- From: Arjun Ray <aray@q2.net>
- Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 22:33:50 -0400 (EDT)
- To: www-talk@w3.org
On Sat, 23 Jun 2001, Ian Hickson wrote: > What's wrong with XHTML sent as text/xml? XHTML is by far the silliest puff of hothouse XMLing-for-its-own-sake to have wafted out of the W3C. It is bad engineering from beginning to end, and as such, constitutes a prime example of how text/xml - as the means to deliver XML applications - could become an unworkable mess through dogmatic advocacy of *bad* designs. We can understand RFC 1866 as the closure of an historical process, and file it away as a "noble experiment". The successor specs, in persisting with the myth of "Conforming SGML Application", were only means to stave off the (imagined, if not feared) embarassment of having actually to concede irrelevance. The trouble all along has been that SGML is a formalism geared towards design[1]. Using it to pick up the dirty laundry trailed by beer-and-pizza programmer jocks has entailed a steadily growing list of "application conventions", half-hearted deprecations, and copious prose which perforce is all the more sumptuous whenever the point has been not to try hard to say something but to try hard to evade something. The result: a rambling catalog of circumstantial specifics and ponderous bombast, with the overall coherence and elegance of a bag of potatoes. Retrofitting SGML onto a mass of lumps was bad enough, having another go with XML is worse, pathetic if it weren't grotesque. In a parody of ontogeny recapitulating phylogeny, the fact of XML being a limited profile of SGML is reflected in the morphological simplifications of the XHTML spec. Evasions couched in apologetic "shoulds" have become absurdities couched in "musts"[2]. Highminded circumlocutions have become explicit guidelines for "compatibility". If anything, the compatibility guidelines are a demonstration of the intellectual bankruptcy of the entire exercise. Where the entire point of a "compatibility" rubric is to suggest that XHTML *is* deliverable as text/html, it is less than edifying to learn that the compatibility in practice involves a reality that the W3C has spent years denying, because it takes *ignorance* of SGML for all this XML-ized stuff to "work" in "HTML user agents". Inter alia, the hapless innocent who doesn't read between the lines is left to find out the hard way that validation of XHTML and of HTML4 documents are distinct and incompatible considerations. That's the fate of the few who commit to taking W3C specs *seriously* - double the work for no gain in benefits. The practical consequence, of course, is that people will gravitate to what works for them. Haranguing them with XHTML hype will only serve to evoke in them the desire to have what is already working continue to work ("Show me!"). Market Pressure - ignore it if you like, it won't go away - will be for text/html instances to be acceptable as text/xml. Not as geeks immersed in W3C theology understand text/html and text/xml, but as non-geek users of "popular implementations" will understand them. Not only is XHTML a hostage to fortune, its frankensteinian presence also serves to inhibit alternatives. XML was - and perhaps still is - an opportunity for small rationalized modules as the results of a *design* effort. The point would be not to serve the same old stuff in a new way, but to have *new* stuff that people could choose to take up because they *lose* nothing. So, what's wrong with XHTML sent as text/html? One word: compatibility. It says all the wrong things, and prevents all the right things. [1] http://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9508&L=html-wg&P=R14154 [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2000Jan/0255.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2000Jan/0246.html Arjun
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