- From: Steven Clift <clift@freenet.msp.mn.us>
- Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:44:57 +0000
- To: COMMUNET@LIST.UVM.EDU, edem-elect@mtn.org, www-talk@w3.org, e-conf@chatsubo.com, ietf@ietf.org, online-news@planetarynews.com
Another excellent Forum One Report. I am always interested in what other people are learning about the use of the WWW and the Internet in general for conferencing. In particular I am interested in stories about more local uses that seem to be working (by local I mean either something with a geographical scope along with some topic or some organizational community-oriented use.) Direct subscription information for the report is near the bottom of their message. Steven Clift Democracies Online http://www.e-democracy.org/do ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 20:08:52 -0700 To: (Recipient list suppressed) From: Jim Cashel <cashel@ForumOne.com> Subject: Forum One Report FORUM ONE REPORT: News from the Web Forum Sector September 1, 1997 FORUM ONE REPORT generally reports on innovations in the web forum sector. In this issue, we report on ten trends that we are *not* yet seeing (but expect in the coming 12 months). COMMUNITY DESIGN * MIGRATION TO THE WEB OF ONLINE SERVICES' FORUMS: Of the major online services, only Delphi currently offers full web access to its forums (there are limited other examples, such as AOL's Motley Fool). We expect a partial (or perhaps full) migration of the vast forum offerings of Compuserve, AOL, and Prodigy to the web (note that AOL recently adopted web access for its "buddy list" community technology). * SCHEDULED EVENTS: Most forums to date are designed as ongoing communities. We expect to see far more scheduled events forums tied to real world events (like the IBM chess forum), conferences and trade shows forums, as well as free standing forums (but time limited). Scheduled forums offer advantages in publicity and in user experience (evolving into a form of "threaded chat"). * MODERATORS ONLY IN FOR-PAY FORUMS: Many forums use moderators (hired or volunteer). Hired moderators are frequently not financially viable in forums relying on ad income (a moderator would have to increase page views by several hundred thousand per month to meet salary). Volunteer moderators raise tax and liability legal issues. For these reasons we expect in the future to see few moderators in public, ad-supported forums, though many in for-pay specialty forums. SOFTWARE * COMPATIBILITY: Currently there are at least 10 major and 30 secondary forum software products on the market (see a list of resources at Forum One at http://www.ForumOne.com/products.htm , or David Woolley's thorough compilation at http://freenet.msp.mn.us/~drwool/webconf.html ). Currently none of these products are compatible with one another. This raises technical issues of sharing information, and also user interface issues (people develop strong loyalties to given interfaces). [Note: there are two products which span the incompatibilities of the web forum sector, the Forum One Index <http://www.ForumOne.com> and the Circular Logic offline forum reader <http://www.pan.com/circular/wippper.htm>, but neither of these are forum software products per se). We expect two things to occur in the future: preliminary discussions among major forum software vendors about standards (perhaps focusing on underlying database design, not as focused on user interface issues). Second, a slow but steady shakeout of the industry (it's not clear how technologies will conveniently merge, so there will clearly be winners and losers). * DISAPPEARANCE OF "WEB FORUM SOFTWARE": As communications software (web forum, chat, listserve) continues to cross integrate and be embedded into other types of software (conferencing software, distance learning, games), the distinct category of "web forum software" which now exists will disappear (at one time it was possible to buy "spellcheck software", but that has now disappeared as a distinct category of software). * NNTP BATTLES: There are currently two different technologies for threaded discussion forums on the Web: web forums (html based) and Usenet (nntp based). Each offers advantages and disadvantages, and for the most part co-habitate the Internet with little friction. The issue of incompatibility may be forced eventually as communications technologies continue to merge around a common web platform. PRESS COVERAGE * REPORTS FROM INSIDE OF COMMUNITIES: To date, press coverage of web forums has mostly focused on the proliferation of communities and new technologies. Very little coverage addresses what is actually happening within these communities. At some point the press will report community events in the virtual world (major decisions, political intrigue, revolts) as it does community events in the real world, with the fact that these events are happening online being not the main story. The technology will become more transparent, while the *community* becomes the focus. BUSINESS STRATEGY * SECONDARY MARKET IN COMMUNITIES: It is time consuming and expensive to build a robust online community. In many cases it's probably easier to buy one that already exists. We have seen very few examples of this (the Durand Communications purchase of Electric Minds is an example). We expect to see a secondary market in web forums, but as importantly a secondary market for popular listserve communities (although probably not Usenet because of decentralized control), and perhaps even the "online community rights" to real world communities. Celebrity moderators (or list owners) in this process will become highly valued. * PROFITIBILITY: Few forum areas as of yet are directly profitable (see a worthwhile ComputerWorld article on this at <http://www.computerworld.com/features/970811chat.html>). Most forum areas are banking on increased advertising and transaction income in the future (turning to Net.Gain by Hagel and Armstrong <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0875847595/forumonecommunicA/> for a frequently needed pep talk). * AGGRESSIVENESS: Very few organizations are in our opinion are making aggressive plays at the web forum market (compared to, for example, chat). The forum areas that exist on major sites (leading newspapers, search engines, large organizations) generally take a distant back seat to most other parts of the web strategy. If the financial consequence of web forums grows in coming months as many foresee, this will change. (We'd recommend watching CNN, Excite, Barnes and Noble, and Salon Magazine as early indicators of the sector's overall possibilities.) ******* FORUM ONE STATISTICS: The Forum One Index now tracks over 96,000 ongoing discussions across the web. Within these discussions, we count the following numbers of current messages posted in ten selected forum areas (not necessarily representing the ten largest forum areas on the web / compiled 8.21.97): Cafe Utne 474029 Salon Table Talk 247278 Pathfinder 131248 Excite 127116 Parent Soup 102794 Yahoo 32022 GardenWeb 27014 Motley Fool 25787 Chicago Tribune 16456 NY Times 14286 Please write us if you have information which should be included in a future Forum One Report! ********* FORUM ONE REPORT is a monthly publication prepared by Jim Cashel <cashel@ForumOne.com> and Dave Witzel <dave@ForumOne.com> of Forum One Communications Corporations. If you would like to be included in or excluded from this mailing list, please write report@ForumOne.com. Comments and information are welcome. Republication of part or all of this report is allowed as long as Forum One Communications Corporation is credited. Forum One Communications maintains the Forum One Index <http://www.ForumOne.com> tracking over 96,000 web discussion forums, and also provides consulting services to organizations building or maintaining online communities. Forum One Communications Corporation e-mail: info@ForumOne.com web: http://www.ForumOne.com San Francisco Office (business operations): Phone: 415 512 8856 Fax 415 512 9409 Arlington Virginia Office (technical operations): Phone 703 237-8537 Fax 703 237-8274 ********* ------------------------------------------------------- Steven L. Clift, Director, Democracies Online 3454 Fremont Ave S, Minneapolis, MN 55408 USA Tel: 612-824-3747 E: clift@freenet.msp.mn.us http://www.e-democracy.org/do/ - Democracies Online http://freenet.msp.mn.us/people/clift/ - Home Page -------------------------------------------------------
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