Re: Reviewing the Solid protocol

Hello Tim, Dan, others,

This may be only marginally related, but at the IETF, there's a new 
mailing list on "More Instant Messaging Interoperability" (see 
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/Mimi and 
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-mahy-mimi-problem-outline-00.html, 
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-mahy-mimi-content-00.html, 
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-mahy-mimi-identity-00.html).
Also related is the SPIN draft 
(https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-rosenberg-dispatch-spin-00.txt), 
which is currently discussed on the dispatch@ietf.org mailing lists.

Regards,   Martin.

On 2022-07-25 00:33, Dan Brickley wrote:
> (I believe this needs a tracking issue in the TAG github, presumably
> https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues ).
> 
> On Sun, 24 Jul 2022 at 14:18, Tim Berners-Lee <timbl@w3.org> wrote:
> 
>> Solid is a growing protocol/movement, and the tech parts of it — the Solid
>> Project — are basically a W3C Community group.
>>
>> Solid adds things which the web needed but hadn’t yet standardized,
>> including global single sign-in, standard access control, and a fast API
>> for data read-write between an app and a store (a Solid Pod).  By making
>> the API to the store universal, it means you don’t have to change the store
>> when you make a new app, which completely changes the architecture and
>> markets and business models which are possible. It also leaves individuals
>> empowered rather than exploited.
> 
> 
> Are you also open to sympathetically skeptical comments on how the Solid
> architecture does or doesn’t support these incredibly ambitious goals?
> 
> I have this hard to articulate sense that the Solid project is tying itself
> very tightly to one specific design for fine grained data interop,
> potentially at the expense of its role as a unifying “rallying cry” for
> users-first platform design, data control/access, portability,
> transparency, openness etc. These are values that have been shared across
> diverse groups who have been working on different (if hopefully
> complementary) pieces of the puzzle, and exploring different tradeoffs and
> priorities.
> 
> I could well imagine that Solid’s formal protocol specs check out ok at
> face value, i.e. “yup, it does what it says on the tin”, while still
> meriting serious discussion on whether this very technical use of RDF will
> get the web ecosystem to where you want it to be.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
>> Would it be reasonable for the TAG to review the architecture at a high
>> level, or review the protocol?  It would be useful to get a knowledge of
>> the Solid stack in neighboring parts of the technology.
>>
>> (A separate future question are the client-client interop specs which are
>> needed for interop between apps, such as contacts, chat, etc.)
>>
>> See https://solidproject.org/. https://solidproject.org/TR is where the
>> specs end up after their github-based proces.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Tim BL
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Prof. Dr.sc. Martin J. Dürst
Department of Intelligent Information Technology
College of Science and Engineering
Aoyama Gakuin University
Fuchinobe 5-1-10, Chuo-ku, Sagamihara
252-5258 Japan

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