- From: T.V Raman <raman@google.com>
- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 10:06:29 -0800
- To: tbray@textuality.com
- Cc: henry.story@bblfish.net, timbl@w3.org, www-tag@w3.org, wseltzer@w3.org, zittrain@law.harvard.edu, weitzner@mit.edu, davi@inrupt.com, schneier@inrupt.com, mnot@mnot.net
I remember saying to Ian Jacobs a few years ago at an AC Meeting reception: "Micropayments already happened, no one noticed" --- in the absence of a "microcurrency", it's happened using a currency called "user attention". Tim Bray writes: > Micropayments are an obvious answer, and perfectly compatible with the web > architecture. Once again it's a political and economic problem. The > payments business is a nice business and the cartel that controls it has no > interest in allowing micro payments to disrupt their rental income. > > On Sat., Jan. 16, 2021, 11:52 a.m. Henry Story, <henry.story@bblfish.net> > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 16 Jan 2021, at 20:14, Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> wrote: > > > > > > It’s obvious on the face of it that this is profoundly hostile to the > > way the Web is supposed to work. > > > > > > Just in case it's not obvious, a few words on why this is happening. > > > > > > In a sane world, places like Google and Facebook would publish links to > > whatever out there on the Web, sell advertising beside those links, and > > then the linked-to parties would sell advertising on the destination > > resources, and everyone would be happy. De facto, what's happening is that > > Google and Facebook are getting more or less all the money and the > > newspapers and so on are getting more or less none. Thus the collapse in > > the publishing industry and, increasingly, more and more locations having > > no access to quality local journalism. Thus the publishers are clutching > > at straws, this being one of them. > > > > > > One response is for publications to pivot to the subscription model but > > unfortunately, for most publications it's too late; subscription fatigue > > has set in and people are increasingly unwilling to give more parties > > monthly access to their bank account. > > > > Another response is to make it easy for them to deploy micropayments, so > > that > > users coming from search engines can easily pay per article read, and then > > subscribe if they find themselves reading articles from that paper very > > often. > > > > I regularly land on newspapers via search engines, twitter, blogs, … and > > these ask me for > > a monthly or yearly subscription which I don’t really want. I can’t > > possibly subscribe to > > all newspapers I come across, for lack of time. But I would be happy to > > pay a > > small amount per article read if it were a one click affair and secure. > > > > > > > > > > Now, as to *why* Google and Facebook are getting all the money, this > > gets deep into politics and antitrust policy and regulation of the > > advertising market very quickly. I have strong opinions about it but I'm > > not sure whether that discussion belongs here. Having said that, Data > > Lords: The Real Story of Big Data, Facebook and the Future of News from > > 2018 is an article that really influenced my understanding of the dilemma > > that the publishing industry is facing. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 9:38 AM Tim Berners-Lee <timbl@w3.org> wrote: > > > Has anyone noticed this call > > > > > https://www.accc.gov.au/focus-areas/digital-platforms/news-media-bargaining-code > > > from the Australian government for comments on a plan to force Google > > and Facebook to pay money to news media businesses for content they display > > on their services? This is a final call of a proposal whose first versions > > came out in July. > > > > > > The web architecture issue here seems to be the right to link. The code, > > if it became law, would force Google search and Facebook Newsfeed > > [specifically] to pay a fee to the owner of the destination content (news > > publisher) when the link is displayed, not even necessarily followed. > > > > > > The architecture of the WWW generally involves the right to link to > > something with impunity -- is this proposal in direct with that right? > > > > > > What do folks, and the TAG, think? > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > Henry Story > > > > https://co-operating.systems > > WhatsApp, Signal, Tel: +33 6 38 32 69 84 > > Twitter: @bblfish > > > > -- ♉Id: kg:/m/0285kf1 🦮♉ -- ♉Id: kg:/m/0285kf1 🦮♉
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